DAL 1457 emergency about to land in ATL
 

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HA! You asked for it...

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"Good luck and we're all counting on you."

What was the problem?

Delta flight makes emergency landing in Atlanta


The Associated Press
Thursday, July 22, 2010; 3:34 PM
ATLANTA -- A federal official says a Delta Air Lines flight bound for Oregon turned around and made an emergency landing in Atlanta after blowing a tire on takeoff.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said the Boeing 737 left Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Thursday at 11:30 a.m. headed to Portland but turned around once pilots realized a tire had blown.

She said the flight landed safely at 3 p.m. with no reports of injuries.

Delta spokesman Anthony Black said the flight had 160 passengers and 6 crew members. He said all passengers are being rescheduled for other flights to Portland.

Preliminary investigation reveals the FO had been working out too much.
The sheer mass of his biceps caused a tire to blow.
It happened right at 80 kts.
There were no injuries, but a cheerleader was taken to the pilot lounge for observation.

Surely you're kidding...I'm not, and don't call me Shirley

Anyone else hear that Leslie Neilsen actually did this for real one time on a Delta flight?

I have heard that, although which airline it was depends who is telling the story.

I'll tell ya what: that would be the highlight of my career.

A hospital; what is it?

Its a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.

Brilliant!

However, I beleive it was the sheer mass of the Captains belly that put the stress on the controls.

Did they land on taxiway when they returned?

Yeah... then slammed into a Chevron gas station at the end :cool:

Why is this a thread? Slow news day?

Too much... too much:)!!

Well, we know who to blame don't we. Where is that 80ktsclamp?

You're so bad. :D

Sorry guys. 80knotsKABAMWHATWASTHAT??

beat me to it

Question for the fine pilots on this board.
In the case of DL1457 that blew a tire at take off from ATL it circled long enough to burn/dump fuel for a safer landing.

Why not burn the fuel flying to Portland?
Aside from ATL having more (an perhaps longer runways) what is the reason not to complete the flight?
After all, landing with a blown tire statistically (and to the credit of great pilots) is pretty uneventful, and in the event of problems one place is as bad as the other.

Probably because they have their own MX at ATL. I can see the flight continuing on to ATL from somewhere else if it happened. They may also be required by OPSPECS to land at the "nearest suitable airport" in such an event as well.

From my experience working MX in the past, it's not only the ability to land or control the aircraft that concerns the operation. It's made up of a few things. One of the major concerns is the possible damage to the aircraft from the tire falling apart at high speeds. We all remember the Concorde.

MEM is contract mx now... no other mx stations other than slc in between them and pdx.

In addition to the points made by others:

1. You normally would not want to retract landing gear after a tire failure -- the old saying goes, "A down gear is a happy gear" :)

2. You normally would not want to retract the flaps after a tire failure since some of the rubber could have been thrown into the flap mechanism, causing potential damage or jamming, and finally,

3. Due to the above stated reasons, they would not have had sufficient fuel anyway for a flight from ATL to Portland with gear and flaps extended.

I don't know what flap setting they landed with, but I suspect they extended the flaps incrementally to minimize control issues in the event that any flaps were damaged or jammed.

What if later in the flight they were to have another problem, maybe unextendable flaps or a single engine approach, now you have two problems to deal with. Why not limit it to one on your own terms?

The 737NG does not use gear doors. The tires fit very tightly in the gear wells to reduce drag. Any damage to the tire could jam the gear in the well. To prevent this there is a pin that would be hit by a blown or damage tire. It prevents that gear from retracting into the gear well and it free falls back down. It would be a long flight to PDX with one gear hanging down.

I'm guessing that the FO will get to rewatch the slides on tire wear, not his fault I'm guessing.........but gotta blame someone:D

FO = Blame Officer

Ferd <-----------Senior Blame Officer

It's actually an interesting point for us 73 drivers. DAL's 73Ns have tire pressure gauges but its not DAL policy for us to check them on the walk around. I flew with a CA last month who told me that he's noticed, especially on the first flight of the day, that the tires are routinely under inflated. I've starting taking a look and he's right often. There's a push in the department to change our philosophy to doing exactly that. Apparently, the SWA guys do it. Don't know if this was the case with 1457 but food for thought.

Was probably the captain's walk around!

Maybe, but now it's REALLY the blame officers fault:D

With access to information like that I can't imagine myself not checking it each leg, makes sense.

I always used to look at them when I was on the 73N. Of course, I always used to look at the chip detector lights on the EMB-120 too. Used to get yelled at by the CPO for doing it, even when we called out MX for a light, and they found a piece of metal in the sump that had part of a SN on it.

Gentlemen,
Thanks for your reply.
Obviously as a novios there are critical elements and technicalities that we (I) are not completely skilled to decipher.
Well, concerning this question .... now I am.
THX

Sailing, Sailing, Sailing,

My dear man - you must be a 777 pilot, or something similarly impressive - but surely not a lowly 737 pilot. The pin as you so cavalierly called it, is actually a "frangible fitting" which protrudes next to where the gear retracts. Theory being, a damaged tire will break the fitting, which will bleed out hydraulic fluid, causing the gear to free-fall, if it where indeed, in the retraction process. If the gear was down - same result, you cannot raise it, due to no hydraulic fluid in the "gear-up" lines.

Scoop - Lowly 737 Pilot :)

320 Blown Tire
 

I heard from a friend of a training Captain who said on the 320 if you blow a tire the computers will over-rule the pilot and prevent him from exceeding a 75 mile radius of the departure airport:cool:

Pin, is a Boeing term.

"""This pin is designed to detect any loose tire tread during gear retraction. If any object impacts on it during retraction, then the gear will automatically extend. The affected gear cannot be retracted until this fitting is replaced. There is one pin at the aft outside of each main wheel well.

I know its a frangible fitting however the point is that a gear with tire damage can not be retracted on the 737NG series. I never flew the earlier versions so have no idea about what they have.

Nerds!!!!!

Its actually 75KM but there is an +/- factor in the limit. At 78.5KM the autoflight takes over and announces, "Je l'ai vous imbécile stupide. Je suis le capitaine maintenant and je débarquerai l'avion." which roughly translates to "I have it you stupid imbecile. I am the captain now and I will land the airplane."

They could possibly think of installing that same safety feature in the FMS? To recognize, and then alert the crew, when overflying the destination airport? :rolleyes:

GJ

The overfly due to playing with computers is the story the USAF had them publish. In the October Issue of UFO Magazine, it was revealed by unnamed sources the pilots were actually abducted by aliens for a short period of time.

(at least that sounds a lot better than 'we were engrossed in a computer scheduling program.' RIGHT...)

Or that saftey feature that keeps them from landing a 767 on a taxiway.

Just a rumor... a future Airbus FMCG-DVD interface upgrade will fix this issue. This would allow the crew to watch the movies on the NAV displays instead of their laptops, and pause it at top of descent.

The actual overfly event would then trigger the existing auto thrust landing voice prompt "Retard, Retard". ;)

SP