Originally Posted by dojetdriver
(Post 947658)
Although I agree with your overall stance, you are displaying a slight bit of ignorance when it comes to segments of this industry. Although the gist of it is about "regional" pilots, educate yourself on the CAL, UAL (when they were hiring), and former NW payscales. Particularly first year. Because guess what? The word "chumps" that you associate with the "regional" pilots ALSO correlates to the "legacies" as well. Especially in the case of the above mentioned airlines, where the first year pay, and subsequent years, especially on the narrow body flat out sucked. Wasn't, and probably won't be uncommon again for a first year legacy FO to have to live the lifestyle that many "regional" pilots do. And your correct, NOBODY put a gun to the guy's head to make him take that legacy job with substandard pay for his first few years and the substandard working conditions of being on reserve under crappy/concessionary CBA's. All while chasing the elusive "pay off".
I look forward to your retort. But ONLY if you can back up that it's STRICTLY a problem for "regional" pilots, as well as have your own personal experience/observations in the civilian airline pilot industry to back your argument. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
Worked in the commercial field prior to joining the military. Father was a Hughes Airwest>Republic>NWA>DAL guy. First year pay at a legacy is a short burden to bear, and with proper planning is manageable once off probation and second year pay starts, thus it's an accepted risk.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
All the guys I know that have made the move to the majors did it with some thoughtful planning before hand to endure that first year.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
Regional pay scales, totally different story. Back in the day I was looking at 3rd and 4th year pay still under $30K/year.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
I knew it was unsustainable, plus I wanted to serve.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
The only thing that's really changed was the depression of legacy pay, however it very livable after the first year or two and hopefully will be restored at some point in the future.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
Regionals just don't/can't generate the cash per flight to justify the pay required to live the way you need to in order to avoid commuting/rest rule violations.
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 947682)
3807 is a perfect example. FO was living with her parents on food stamp wages. She's only one...
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