2006 Dover AFB C-5 Crash
05-08-2011, 02:55 PM
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2006 Dover AFB C-5 Crash
Hey guys, I am doing a presentation entitled "Too many cooks in the cockpit" and I want to use this video as part of the presentation.
Does anyone have factual information about the makeup of the crew? I understand it was a bunch of instructors and Sr. type captains? Where can I find this, I have looked everywhere... Help? Thx g
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Does anyone have factual information about the makeup of the crew? I understand it was a bunch of instructors and Sr. type captains? Where can I find this, I have looked everywhere... Help? Thx g
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05-08-2011, 03:44 PM
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[Mod note] Post moved from thread "Dover C-5 accident animation".
[User note] If you are going to report on CRM, then include CRM triumphs as well-Air New Zealand Erroneous ILS.
[User note] If you are going to report on CRM, then include CRM triumphs as well-Air New Zealand Erroneous ILS.
Last edited by Cubdriver; 05-08-2011 at 04:00 PM. Reason: add video link
05-08-2011, 04:55 PM
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APC added a Safety forum last year and I put your post from the 2006 thread here to start this new one. You may wish to use both threads, and sorry for the confusion. It's always a bit of an oddity when a 5-year old thread gets revived out of the blue.
05-08-2011, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
[Mod note] Post moved from thread "Dover C-5 accident animation".
[User note] If you are going to report on CRM, then include CRM triumphs as well-Air New Zealand Erroneous ILS.
[User note] If you are going to report on CRM, then include CRM triumphs as well-Air New Zealand Erroneous ILS.
Right up my alley!
It was a pretty good representation, though only scratching the surface.
I wish it weren't as complicated
Good work by the crew!
I just finished the FAA's initial CRM course last week.This would be a good video to show as the 'up-side' of CRM rather than the many videos of poor CRM.
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05-08-2011, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I just finished the FAA's initial CRM course last week.This would be a good video to show as the 'up-side' of CRM rather than the many videos of poor CRM.
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I'll bet though that when all the data comes out on the NW and QA super skodas and QA uber skoda comes out, it'll be up there also.
05-08-2011, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Usually, United 232, Aloha 243, United 811, etc get those honors.
I'll bet though that when all the data comes out on the NW and QA super skodas and QA uber skoda comes out, it'll be up there also.
I'll bet though that when all the data comes out on the NW and QA super skodas and QA uber skoda comes out, it'll be up there also.
I saw a recreation of a Saudi Airlines flight that caught fire soon after takeoff and hey took forever to diagnose and get it back on the ground and stopped. Lost all aboard. I forget the timeframe - but probably in the late 70's or early 80s would be my guess. It wasn't good
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05-08-2011, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Yep - we saw United 232. I heard him speak about 2.5 years ago at a safety standdown that we co-hosted at NAS Lemoore. It is quite the well rehearsed rendition
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I saw a recreation of a Saudi Airlines flight that caught fire soon after takeoff and hey took forever to diagnose and get it back on the ground and stopped. Lost all aboard. I forget the timeframe - but probably in the late 70's or early 80s would be my guess. It wasn't good
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And I'm sure I will dig it up as I'm too lazy right now. But I believe that the UPS was, sure enough, right outside the 20 minutes. Like I said, I'm sure SOMEBODY will pull it up, but I believe it was 29 minutes, can't remember exactly.
05-09-2011, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I'll bet. But keep in mind, he's has 20 years practice of extending the courtesy to tell the story
Creepy stuff indeed. I believe that in one of the UPS DXB threads there was reference given to a study done about inflight fires. Specifically as it relates to how much time was involved in those that got it on the ground and at least spared some of the lives at a minimum vs. those with massive loss. I thought it was about 18-20 minutes being the window, those that beat the 18-20 minutes usually had better results.
And I'm sure I will dig it up as I'm too lazy right now. But I believe that the UPS was, sure enough, right outside the 20 minutes. Like I said, I'm sure SOMEBODY will pull it up, but I believe it was 29 minutes, can't remember exactly.
Creepy stuff indeed. I believe that in one of the UPS DXB threads there was reference given to a study done about inflight fires. Specifically as it relates to how much time was involved in those that got it on the ground and at least spared some of the lives at a minimum vs. those with massive loss. I thought it was about 18-20 minutes being the window, those that beat the 18-20 minutes usually had better results.
And I'm sure I will dig it up as I'm too lazy right now. But I believe that the UPS was, sure enough, right outside the 20 minutes. Like I said, I'm sure SOMEBODY will pull it up, but I believe it was 29 minutes, can't remember exactly.
05-09-2011, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I'll bet. But keep in mind, he's has 20 years practice of extending the courtesy to tell the story
In the case of the Saudi flight - obviously there were crew and passengers alive when they landed, but by the time they got the doors opened, all 300+ crew/passengers were lost.
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