Originally Posted by mowiepilot (Post 1089549)

How did you post the NTSB Preliminary Data when there isn't one posted on the NTSB Data web page ? (as of today 11.22)

Originally Posted by mowiepilot (Post 1089549)

How did you post the NTSB Preliminary Data when there isn't one posted on the NTSB Data web page ? (as of today 11.22)

Originally Posted by ScardyCat (Post 1089824)

I didn't mention the NTSB, thus I cannot answer your question.

Originally Posted by MM6830563 (Post 1089256)

I understand this place is called "pilot lounge", but before expressing personal views with no reference to reality, please think twice.
For an Avanti II (like the one crashed in Flint) :
With a single gen, only unpowered load is freon cooling.
With a dual gen failure, you still keep powered ADC 1, AHC 1 plus EISIS (so, 2 indipendent references both for attitude and speeds)
With dual gen and battery failure (not yet to be heard on a P-180) you still have EISIS (attitude, speed, altitude, vertical speed) plus mag compass.
Mag compass is locked to about 240° hdg when pitot, windshield heaters, forward wing anti-ice and landing lights are powered.
It's there to work when everything else has failed.
Rather than italian weirdo, certification rules.
These are the facts.
For the rest, let NTSB guys do their (usually great) job.
After all, even if it's a lounge, still it's showing "pilot" on the sign

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1089859)

No - you didn't.
What was the source of your Preliminary data then?

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by RonWeasley (Post 1089943)

One of our line Captains spoke with the SIC. He indicated that the right engine began surging, so the PIC elected to cage it. Along with losing situation awareness, touching down long and fast with a tailwind, the PIC slapped the P-180 into reverse and looped it, the mains caught and it flipped. He said that it should have been a non event, and yes, they did a poor job.

Originally Posted by ScardyCat (Post 1090625)

What RonWeasley said. I don't know what else to tell you. Just accept it.

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1090673)

Hear that guys? :D
Just accept 4th person intel.
It could be good. It might be flawed.

To all:
There is a reminder/infraction on APC called 'Unfounded Speculation on Crew Action'. It can be tricky to apply because of the grey line between talking about a mishap for safety's sake and then talking about a mishap to try and steer opinions or bathe circumstances in a certain light because you have a bone to pick with some company.

They can often use the same words and the difference will be in the presentation and the even the history of the presenter.
Tread carefully when it come to this.

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by fanblade (Post 1090804)

I can't prove it, but Scardy Cat sure sounds like B.T.D.I. who, I believe, has been banned for life.