Captain Abandoning His Ship
01-17-2012, 11:46 AM
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Looks like the only thing he did right (and maybe by accident) was dropping anchor in shallow water. I think where the ship is resting is actually quite a ways from where he struck the rocks. Just imagine what the loss of life would have been if it had turned turtle in deeper water?
01-17-2012, 11:50 AM
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Local Pilot
Originally Posted by DirectTo
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the pictures is a local pilot obviously would have been much more familiar with the port. Are they not always used?
The emerging story (still subject to updates) is that the ship was due to sail past the Isola del Giglio, and came closer to shore to "salute" some locals.
01-17-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by abelenky
The emerging story (still subject to updates) is that the ship was due to sail past the Isola del Giglio, and came closer to shore to "salute" some locals.
01-17-2012, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
THIS CAPTAIN.
Let's not hang all sea-going Captains out to dry because of the actions of one. I'm sure that in the last 10 yers, somehwere, there has been a case of a cruise ship captain acting like a true professional in the face of adversity, as surely as I'm sure we could find a professional airplane crew having acted in a less than professional manner during rountine or emergency circumstances.
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Let's not hang all sea-going Captains out to dry because of the actions of one. I'm sure that in the last 10 yers, somehwere, there has been a case of a cruise ship captain acting like a true professional in the face of adversity, as surely as I'm sure we could find a professional airplane crew having acted in a less than professional manner during rountine or emergency circumstances.
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01-17-2012, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
I was involved with a woman who had family connections within the cruise ship industry.Her step father being a director of one of those lines mentioned that the financial types (beancounters) have been going to considerable lengths to reduce cruise ship captain pay. He related several accounts where the line had cut the pay of long term captains and essentially goaded them into quitting. Then the new captains would be much younger and were usually supplied out of a "fast track" career path "puppy mill" of sorts. Almost invariably these fast trackers were from Italy or Greece and were not of the long term credentials of their predecessors.When I asked why this was so important he answered that to the new generation of managers one captain is as good as another, "they are all fungible"...
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01-17-2012, 01:02 PM
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"In all four ports, a good thirty minutes before we would anchor, whether at a pier or in the open ocean, a small boat would come out and deliver a local pilot to I assume steer the ship into waters he was familiar with. We would always be well out in the ocean when this happened."
I believe they are called harbor pilots. In San Francisco they make $500,000+/year salary--which I will venture to guess--is because they have a strong union. If anyone wants to argue that they have more responsibility than a 747 captain (or A320 captain for that matter) I would be interested to hear the argument. These guys know what their skills are worth, and what they contribute to the bottom line--when will pilots learn??
01-17-2012, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DirectTo
I have a stupid, non-nautically-informed question.
I went on a cruise a couple of years ago. It was a Caribbean cruise that left out of Galveston, Texas. We called in four ports (Cozumel, Roatan, Belize City, and Cancun).
In all four ports, a good thirty minutes before we would anchor, whether at a pier or in the open ocean, a small boat would come out and deliver a local pilot to I assume steer the ship into waters he was familiar with. We would always be well out in the ocean when this happened.
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the pictures is a local pilot obviously would have been much more familiar with the port. Are they not always used?
I went on a cruise a couple of years ago. It was a Caribbean cruise that left out of Galveston, Texas. We called in four ports (Cozumel, Roatan, Belize City, and Cancun).
In all four ports, a good thirty minutes before we would anchor, whether at a pier or in the open ocean, a small boat would come out and deliver a local pilot to I assume steer the ship into waters he was familiar with. We would always be well out in the ocean when this happened.
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the pictures is a local pilot obviously would have been much more familiar with the port. Are they not always used?
01-17-2012, 02:40 PM
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I heard an interesting interview with a maritime law professor today. Apparently in the shipping industry the Captain is still god and not to be questioned by lesser souls.
Sounds like an industry ripe for some CRM training.
Sounds like an industry ripe for some CRM training.
01-17-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
This doesn't bode well for the Captain of the ship.
Coastguard raged at liner captain, tape shows - Yahoo! News
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Coastguard raged at liner captain, tape shows - Yahoo! News
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Pretty sure his future wasnt to bright before he left the boat and blew off the coast guard. He probably left to go find a lawyer.
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