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Old 04-08-2012 | 04:55 AM
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Credible eyewitness reports that one of the crew was still strapped in to his seat. Aren't those supposed to separate regardless of altitude/attitude? Reportedly, this crewmember only had facial lacerations.
Define credible eyewitness reports. It could have easily been that his seat pan was still attached. Given the late/immediate ejection its not surprising that the seat pan wasn't manually released by the aircrew. By definition, seat man separation occurs when the main chute deploys both in the SJU and NACES seat at that altitude. But the AMB will figure all of that out.
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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BDGERJMN
Define credible eyewitness reports. It could have easily been that his seat pan was still attached. Given the late/immediate ejection its not surprising that the seat pan wasn't manually released by the aircrew. By definition, seat man separation occurs when the main chute deploys both in the SJU and NACES seat at that altitude. But the AMB will figure all of that out.
what said.

Glad nobody was seriously hurt.
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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
That is correct as far as the location of the dump masts.
A clue can be found in the photos of the engines.
Just watched the DVR'ed national news stories from last night.
They confirmed that it was -106 and that it was a training flight with an IP in the back, though one made it unclear if the student was a true first timer or a transition. Some on here will have first hand knowledge but I'm sure will be quite on the info for the time being.

There are times to dump fuel for that very reason. From the location of the crash site I would venture a guess that they took off on Rwy 05L or 05R and were heading out to the working areas as speculated earlier in the news reports.

Here is a question for anyone who knows - was it a F/A-18B/D or F? I don't remember if VFA-106 is still conducting legacy training or is it 100% Supers.

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Can they dump fast enough to even bother in a situation like that?

Could the fuel "dumping" have been simply been an unlit engine blowing gas out the back?
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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by N9373M
Credible eyewitness reports that one of the crew was still strapped in to his seat. Aren't those supposed to separate regardless of altitude/attitude? Reportedly, this crewmember only had facial lacerations.
No. The last thing you want to do in a high altitude ejection is to have your seat separate and your chute inflate way up there. Think dying from exposure as you float to earth
Low altitude - yes the seat should have separated right away.
I don't have my old NATOPS handy for reference so BGDER or Grumble (or the new user usmchornetpilot - welcome) will have to look it up for the specifics (and possibly prove that my memory if failing!)

rickair - whether it was warranted or not I'll leave for the AMB to figure out. I'll say in some scenarios it is a good idea. I once had a main fuel line in the gear well come apart shortly after takeoff from NAF El Centro and I'm sure it would have looked to 'credible eyewitnesses' like I was dumping (on purpose) except for the fact that it wasn't coming from the dump masts.

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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:08 PM
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This is the version of the story being told in Australia [basically the same] it includes the pictures you mentioned; the exhaust nozzles and ejector seat..

Fighter jet crashes into US apartment block - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


this is the street address for those among you whom want to google earth/maps the location;

1001 Fleming Circle, Virginia Beach, Va. 23451 It is just off Birdneck Road.
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Old 04-10-2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BDGERJMN
Was a D. -2 of a sxn ftr weps hop. 106 teaches A-F. 122 is doing the same on the west coast after 125 Cadre(will be JSF FRS #2 eventually when it fires back up)
You made my brain hurt decoding that!
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Old 04-10-2012 | 01:21 PM
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Was a D. -2 of a sxn ftr weps hop. 106 teaches A-F. 122 is doing the same on the west coast after 125 Cadre(will be JSF FRS #2 eventually when it fires back up)
What's A-F, besides the Japanese WWII code for Midway, who needs a new fresh water condenser (Tora, Tora, Tora). Not trying to diminish the severity of the situation, just trying to decode.

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Old 04-10-2012 | 02:28 PM
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What's A-F, besides the Japanese WWII code for Midway, who needs a new fresh water condenser (Tora, Tora, Tora). Not trying to diminish the severity of the situation, just trying to decode.

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Models A-F:
A - first single-seat model (up through Lot 9 IIRC)
B - first two-seat trainer
C - updated single-seat (Lot 10-21)
D - updated two-seat trainer (USN/USMC training squadrons)
D - USMC VMFA(AW) fleet aircraft - missionized two-seaters (think F-15E like) (Different LOT numbers between 12-17 that I can remember at least but I didn't pay too much attention)
E - Super Hornet single seaters
F - Super two-seat trainers (see Note)
F - USN two-seat missionized (think replacement for the F-14s - with more capability)

Note: BDGER - I'm assuming there are trunk stick and throttle model Fs in the FRSs too. Correct?

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Old 04-10-2012 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Models A-F:
A - first single-seat model (up through Lot 9 IIRC)
B - first two-seat trainer
C - updated single-seat (Lot 10-21)
D - updated two-seat trainer (USN/USMC training squadrons)
D - USMC VMFA(AW) fleet aircraft - missionized two-seaters (think F-15E like) (Different LOT numbers between 12-17 that I can remember at least but I didn't pay too much attention)
E - Super Hornet single seaters
F - Super two-seat trainers (see Note)
F - USN two-seat missionized (think replacement for the F-14s - with more capability)

Note: BDGER - I'm assuming there are trunk stick and throttle model Fs in the FRSs too. Correct?

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Thanks - semantics got me, as in teaching A-F (Air to ?) vs the A-F models.
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Old 04-11-2012 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Note: BDGER - I'm assuming there are trunk stick and throttle model Fs in the FRSs too. Correct?

USMCFLYR
Yes we have Fs with a stick, referred to as F/T(functional trainer) and missionized F's with hand controllers and foot pedals vice a stick known as F/S (functional system). F/Ts are used for intro hops (think early stage FFAM/FBFM/LATT) and are crewed up with IPs rather than IWSOs.
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