AF zoom climb
05-18-2012, 11:59 PM
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AF zoom climb
A340 zoom-climb inquiry backs shock tactics
Kinda makes you wonder what is being taught (or not taught) these days. I guess it comes back to money, again. It costs more to keep crews in the sim for an extra day of practicing good old fashioned airmanship. Instead we spend lots of time on CRM, which, btw, I do not disagree with. I think CRM training has been excellent, and well worth the time spend developing it. I just think it should not have replaced the workouts we used to get in the sim, but instead, should have been in addition to the previous sessions. I was happy to see unusual attitude recovery included in my last CMV session. Maybe they are getting back to basics again.
Kinda makes you wonder what is being taught (or not taught) these days. I guess it comes back to money, again. It costs more to keep crews in the sim for an extra day of practicing good old fashioned airmanship. Instead we spend lots of time on CRM, which, btw, I do not disagree with. I think CRM training has been excellent, and well worth the time spend developing it. I just think it should not have replaced the workouts we used to get in the sim, but instead, should have been in addition to the previous sessions. I was happy to see unusual attitude recovery included in my last CMV session. Maybe they are getting back to basics again.
05-19-2012, 10:34 AM
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The BEA says the crew missed several visual cues pointing to the A340's attitude and position, including the nose-up pitch of 12˚, the high climb rate, the excessive altitude, and instrument panel signals that the autopilot was off.
Cracks me up.
Cracks me up.
05-19-2012, 10:53 AM
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Interesting that his first reaction to an overspeed was to pull back on the stick after disconnecting the ap. You'd think somewhere in his training and few thousand hours in the plane that reaching for the thrust levers or dialing back the speed to turbulent air penetration would have been a better reaction.
The right seater in the 330 accident was also pulling on the side stick even after he was told not to.
The right seater in the 330 accident was also pulling on the side stick even after he was told not to.
05-19-2012, 12:53 PM
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Airbus tried to make their aircraft "human-proof". They won't stall, overbank, overpitch.............. until they do.
Obviously some guys buy into that and yank on that pole (sts) with little regard for flying it like a real aircraft, all the while figuring if they pork it away, the magic throttles and FBW controls will keep them out of trouble.
Unfortunately, the guys who actually believe that and get themselves in trouble are probably the same ones lacking skills and a real understanding of how the aircraft works or its limits.
Obviously some guys buy into that and yank on that pole (sts) with little regard for flying it like a real aircraft, all the while figuring if they pork it away, the magic throttles and FBW controls will keep them out of trouble.
Unfortunately, the guys who actually believe that and get themselves in trouble are probably the same ones lacking skills and a real understanding of how the aircraft works or its limits.
05-19-2012, 09:00 PM
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I'm on the 320 and like the side stick. BUT, this and the 330 accident sort of point to Boeing being better for knowing what the other guy is doing. If the wheel is in your lap, you know it's time to take back control from your colleague. Just a thought.
However, why do these guys react like this? What is AF teaching? Nobody I've flown with (that I know of) would react like this! Very odd.
However, why do these guys react like this? What is AF teaching? Nobody I've flown with (that I know of) would react like this! Very odd.
05-19-2012, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FastDEW
However, why do these guys react like this? What is AF teaching? Nobody I've flown with (that I know of) would react like this! Very odd.
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