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texaspilot76 01-16-2013 05:54 AM

787 Woes
 
Have you all been hearing this stuff on the news? Evidently, the 787 has turned out to be a huge piece of crap. According to Fox this morning, a Jap 787 had to land due to another battery fire. They've now grounded the whole fleet.

It's real sad that the French build a better plane than we can.

Timbo 01-16-2013 05:59 AM

That's because "We" (experienced, unionized Boeing workers in Everet) didn't build it.

Boeing decided to outsource most of it, that's why it was delayed for 3 years, nothing fit right when the outsourced work came back. So they built a plant in a "Right to Work" state, just to get around using Union workers to build it.

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.

Pay peanuts, expect a circus.

ironspud 01-16-2013 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1331508)
That's because "We" (experienced, unionized Boeing workers in Everet) didn't build it.

Boeing decided to outsource most of it, that's why it was delayed for 3 years, nothing fit right when the outsourced work came back. So they built a plant in a "Right to Work" state, just to get around using Union workers to build it.

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.

Pay peanuts, expect a circus.


Actually it was only when nonunion labor got the task that things started to go right. Non union is faaaaaaar superior to union made crap.

lolwut 01-16-2013 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by ironspud (Post 1331511)
Actually it was only when nonunion labor got the task that things started to go right. Non union is faaaaaaar superior to union made crap.

Those union workers in Seattle have been building rock solid airplanes for a long long time.

Then this airplane is built by non-union non-american outsourced cheapest bidder companies and you get this hunk of junk.

Timbo 01-16-2013 06:05 AM

Re. the "non Union is far superior" post above:

Yeah, I guess that's why the 777, 767, 757 and 737's all had worse problems and turned out to be such a huge POS...

pitch mode 01-16-2013 06:07 AM

Outsourcing isn't all it's cracked up to be.

787 Dreamliner teaches Boeing costly lesson on outsourcing « MADE IN USA NEWS

Timbo 01-16-2013 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by ironspud (Post 1331511)
Actually it was only when nonunion labor got the task that things started to go right. Non union is faaaaaaar superior to union made crap.

So...what's going right for the 787 these days?? :rolleyes:

Timbo 01-16-2013 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 1331520)
I doubt the guys that actually designed the plane we anything but Boeing employees. It's not assemble problems they are having. It's bad design issues. Take your union rhetoric somewhere else.

Yeah, what was I thinking, promoting union work here, on an airline pilot web site...:rolleyes:

cni187 01-16-2013 06:14 AM

It's because they went with a lithium cadmium instead of a NiCad battery. They were looking for more amperage and lighter weight. But they seem to be overheating. It's not an outsourcing prob.


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