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PurpleToolBox 04-25-2013 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Phantom Flyer (Post 1335474)
AINSafety today (1/21/13) printed a report stating that since March 20, 2012, there have been 132 incidents of either an overheat or fire involving lithium-ion batteries in the U.S. Most of the reported incidents occurred in either a cargo aircraft (makes the freight dogs wag their tails) or with passenger personal devices. The JAL Dreamliner fire at BOS is the latest exception. That's a LOT of incidents in less than four months.

Y'All be careful.:)

This I believe is the most serious threat to our crews, passengers, and aircraft. We've all been in the simulators where they give us a cargo fire and we conveniently have a place to land within 15 minutes and everyone survives. But we are kidding ourselves if we believe these situations are always going to work out this way.

UPS and Asiana Cargo lost 747s due to fires presumably to lithium batteries. UPS lost a DC-8 in PHL after the fire started on final and nearly consumed it before landing. It is only a matter of time until this happens on board a passenger aircraft.

JamesNoBrakes 04-25-2013 06:32 AM

Cargo cameras, thermal and otherwise (that can sense smoke thousands of times more sensitively than smoke detectors) are a good step IMO. It won't stop a fire, but it could give you immensely more data than is usually available these days. Some carriers have already done this, but it needs to get more comprehensive. That could tell you the difference between the "15 minute" scenario, one that may not be as critical, and one that may be more critical.

USMCFLYR 04-29-2013 07:00 AM

Back in the air soon
 
FAA order formally lifts Boeing 787 Dreamliner grounding

I truly hope the battery problems have been fixed.

Eisbaer 05-02-2013 03:07 PM

One can only imagine what would happen if something even remotely similar would happen again.

The unofficial word is that Boeing never did find the reason the batteries caught on fire.

Gjn290 05-02-2013 05:08 PM

The 787 has been in Kona for the last two weeks going through, what appears to be, pretty thorough testing. Hope everything works out for the Dreamliner!

PROFILE CLIMB 08-26-2013 12:09 AM

Perhaps complacency is more the correct term. I think a balance can be struck my hand flying approaches and departures using automation when needed. I think a pilot has to take personal responsibility And maintain their stick and rudder skills.


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