Belly landing in Arizona
04-12-2013, 06:01 AM
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Belly landing in Arizona
04-12-2013, 06:50 AM
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Nicely done. I would have switched everything off on short final, including the engine. Minimize ignition sources in case of fuel leaks, and might have saved some expense on the rebuild. At that low of an airspeed, the prop might have stopped...horizontal if he was really lucky.
04-12-2013, 07:28 AM
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Good job, though I have long had a problem with the I love you deal. I told my wife years ago that I would never say that, unless maybe I was flying by myself. Even if you are by yourself, you might be too preoccupied wrestling with an aircraft anyway. I hate it when guys say that with a plane load of PAX that don't get that chance. It's not right or fair to the PAX... In this case it seems the pilot was the sole occupant so I'm OK with that.
04-12-2013, 07:29 AM
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"If I don't make it, tell my wife I love her."
It's a gear-up landing. Big deal.
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
How many approaches and landings has this pilot done with the propeller stopped? It doesn't glide the same or fly the same without the airflow over the rudder and horizontal stab. Look at his landing, ballooning up; he had enough on his plate without compounding it, and probably made a wise decision to fly a normal, stable approach to a landing, rather than add to his troubles. Clearly he was stressed, with the tell my wife bit. No need to make it any worse.
04-12-2013, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
It is easier to watch than this one.
Gear Up Landing - YouTube
04-12-2013, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Such melodrama.
It's a gear-up landing. Big deal.
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
How many approaches and landings has this pilot done with the propeller stopped? It doesn't glide the same or fly the same without the airflow over the rudder and horizontal stab. Look at his landing, ballooning up; he had enough on his plate without compounding it, and probably made a wise decision to fly a normal, stable approach to a landing, rather than add to his troubles. Clearly he was stressed, with the tell my wife bit. No need to make it any worse.
It's a gear-up landing. Big deal.
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
How many approaches and landings has this pilot done with the propeller stopped? It doesn't glide the same or fly the same without the airflow over the rudder and horizontal stab. Look at his landing, ballooning up; he had enough on his plate without compounding it, and probably made a wise decision to fly a normal, stable approach to a landing, rather than add to his troubles. Clearly he was stressed, with the tell my wife bit. No need to make it any worse.
Originally Posted by cardiomd
It also looks like he brought it in clean, he is pretty clearly not used to no-flaps with that ballooning, but landed just after 2,000 foot markers on their 8200 foot runway. With that long a runway probably would also pull fuel shutoff, switched off mags, and maybe opened the door, as go-around would not be needed... if had time to think.
It is easier to watch than this one.
Gear Up Landing - YouTube
It is easier to watch than this one.
Gear Up Landing - YouTube
It's worth thinking about if it's within your ability, but for a low time PPL it's probably too much.
In fact not only would I have stopped the prop, I would have bumped the starter to get it horizontal...no prop strike, no teardown. But that's icing on the cake, IMO stopping the engine and turning off the master is a safety issue (ignition source).
But with a basic ASEL, find a really long runway and take all the time you need to configure it.
04-13-2013, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Such melodrama.
It's a gear-up landing. Big deal.
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
How many approaches and landings has this pilot done with the propeller stopped? It doesn't glide the same or fly the same without the airflow over the rudder and horizontal stab. Look at his landing, ballooning up; he had enough on his plate without compounding it, and probably made a wise decision to fly a normal, stable approach to a landing, rather than add to his troubles. Clearly he was stressed, with the tell my wife bit. No need to make it any worse.
It's a gear-up landing. Big deal.
As for stopping the prop...dealing with one emergency already. Why compound it by shutting off the engine and trying to stop the prop in flight? It's going to be an insurance claim. Limiting the extent of the claim ought not be one's first priority.
How many approaches and landings has this pilot done with the propeller stopped? It doesn't glide the same or fly the same without the airflow over the rudder and horizontal stab. Look at his landing, ballooning up; he had enough on his plate without compounding it, and probably made a wise decision to fly a normal, stable approach to a landing, rather than add to his troubles. Clearly he was stressed, with the tell my wife bit. No need to make it any worse.
I know we have had a few intentional gear up landings in that airframe and in all cases, the aircraft were reworked and flew again. As a matter of fact they started painting sharks teeth on the airframes that had experienced a gear up.
04-13-2013, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's a reason I said that "I" would have done it, as opposed to saying "he" should have done it.
It's worth thinking about if it's within your ability, but for a low time PPL it's probably too much.
In fact not only would I have stopped the prop, I would have bumped the starter to get it horizontal...no prop strike, no teardown. But that's icing on the cake, IMO stopping the engine and turning off the master is a safety issue (ignition source).
But with a basic ASEL, find a really long runway and take all the time you need to configure it.
It's worth thinking about if it's within your ability, but for a low time PPL it's probably too much.
In fact not only would I have stopped the prop, I would have bumped the starter to get it horizontal...no prop strike, no teardown. But that's icing on the cake, IMO stopping the engine and turning off the master is a safety issue (ignition source).
But with a basic ASEL, find a really long runway and take all the time you need to configure it.
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