NTSB reports student pilots should read
Sept 25, 1978. Every student pilot should read that report, among others. I keep a few select NTSB reports in a binder for them to read, and that is one of them. http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR79-05.pdf What other NTSB reports would you recommend or think student pilots should read? Why? |
I'd give them the link to the NTSB db and
N T S B - Aviation Accidents - Index of Months have them look for incidents/accidents: 1. In the type of plane they are training in 2. In and around the area the are flying 3. The actual "N" number they're flying (3 planes I've flown are there, fortunately I was not) 4. Have them realize the # reportable per day/month etc. VFR into IMC and Fuel Starvation/Exhaustion are prevalent - even for non-students. The query link (for a/c type, or location, etc) is : NTSB Aviation Database Query Page |
Thanks for that link Moony Man!
Just for kicks I threw in the N number of my first love, and it came back with an incident that happened to me back in 1980!! I'm amazed it goes that far back! NYC81IA018 I do take exception with their 'findings', i.e. inadequate preflight?? The friggn' side window blew out at FL200! Sucked my arm right out, I'm glad I had my seatbelt on! And there were 3 bullet sized holes in the side of the fuselage, angled from up above! The investigator I talked with at the time said it was most likely we got hit by "Space Junk", which shattered the window and put the holes in the side of the airframe. It sounded like a shotgun blast in my ear and my head was slammed against the top of the window frame, which kept most of me in the airplane. |
Originally Posted by UnderOveur
(Post 1392702)
Here it is...
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR79-05.pdf What other NTSB reports would you recommend or think student pilots should read? Why? |
Another question comes to mind, related to the OP...
When do you begin having such conversations with students? Don't wanna scare 'em off, but I think most here would agree they need to know this stuff. |
Originally Posted by UnderOveur
(Post 1392841)
Another question comes to mind, related to the OP...
When do you begin having such conversations with students? Don't wanna scare 'em off, but I think most here would agree they need to know this stuff. I think they need to know the serious of the undertaking from day 1. No need to try and scare sense into them from the start; but letting them know that flying is serious and options can be rare up in the air is just being prudent. |
Originally Posted by UnderOveur
(Post 1392841)
Another question comes to mind, related to the OP...
When do you begin having such conversations with students? Don't wanna scare 'em off, but I think most here would agree they need to know this stuff. Not on the disco flight, but most certainly before solo. Probably wait until they have developed some basic comfort with stick and rudder flying. The three things which will kill a PPL the fastest, in inverse order of the likely-hood of recovery: 1) Mid-air 2) Slow base-to-final turn 3) VFR into IMC I emphasize these throughout training, and needless to say there are plenty of NTSB reports to help make the point. |
When I started teaching my son to fly, I told him, "This is much easier than driving, you only have to worry about one idiot in an airplane, but that idiot is YOU! And guess what? Gravity don't give a sh*t about you, and you can't just pull over and think about it if something goes wrong. That's why you have to think about what you are going to do BEFORE you ever get into the airplane."
Flying is not hard. Every airplane will fly all by itself if you just let go of it. But hitting the ground too hard will ruin your day. You have to learn how -not- to do that. That's the tricky part. |
Originally Posted by UnderOveur
(Post 1392841)
Another question comes to mind, related to the OP...
When do you begin having such conversations with students? Don't wanna scare 'em off, but I think most here would agree they need to know this stuff. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1392864)
I think they need to know the serious of the undertaking from day 1.
No need to try and scare sense into them from the start; but letting them know that flying is serious and options can be rare up in the air is just being prudent.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1392870)
Not on the disco flight, but most certainly before solo. Probably wait until they have developed some basic comfort with stick and rudder flying.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1392870)
The three things which will kill a PPL the fastest, in inverse order of the likely-hood of recovery:
1) Mid-air 2) Slow base-to-final turn 3) VFR into IMC I emphasize these throughout training, and needless to say there are plenty of NTSB reports to help make the point. Yep. I reference JFK Jr. re: #3 and other known dangers such as spatial disorientation and visibility issues like haze and lost horizons; seems like everyone remembers it. I'm going to start using Yoda's suggestion re: the San Diego disaster for #1. Does anyone have a reference for #2 that is particularly memorable? |
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