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USMCFLYR 03-26-2014 07:08 AM

Good decision/Bad decision
 
Plane Runs Low On Fuel, Sets Down on State Road 16 | WUFT News

Recently posted in another forum:

Father flying from Chicago to St Petersburg with daughter and her friend. Plane crashed at 4am. Father died, girls flown to hospital. No fire. With no further details looks like fuel starvation. Whatever the reason sad so close to his destination.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/20 ... y/6729105/


http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=164845

Timbo 03-26-2014 07:50 AM

You know, there's a cure for that (fuel starvation), it's called a wrist watch.

But some of these new fangled airplanes even have this gadget called a Fuel Gauge!

How these guys do this is beyond me, but then I fill my car up when it gets down to 1/4 tank too.

RhinoPherret 03-26-2014 08:09 AM

Quote from pilot:
“I got back in the air, and I love it,” Momberg said. “It’s like riding a bicycle, you don’t really forget it.”

Except how to load up with enough fuel for the distance of his trip and also perform a little fuel rate burn calculation for this aircraft he just bought one week prior.

Yes. He is quite the great pilot that needs to get back into the air. :rolleyes:

Let’s hope this guy does not load up any passengers while he is getting back into the air.

rickair7777 03-26-2014 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1610471)
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How these guys do this is beyond me, but then I fill my car up when it gets down to 1/4 tank too.

Airplanes, yes.

But I run my car close to empty (as long as I know there will be gas available when I need it).

Say I get gas 3 times/month, that's 36 gas stops/year. If instead I do it at 1/4 tank now I make 48 stops/year.

Assume I drive from age 18-90, and that it takes ten minutes to get gas. That's 144 lost hours, or 3.5 work-weeks wasted getting gas when I didn't really need to. I'd rather take a European vacation instead.

Also the extra start-stop cycles cause engine wear, but that probably only matters if you run your cars until they need an engine overhaul.

galaxy flyer 03-26-2014 08:13 AM

WRT the KPIE accident. Let's see, it's 4am in a single engine Piper; 900 nautical miles, so probably a fuel stop around midnight. What was this thinking? This is basic lessons from PP training.

GF

HIFLYR 03-26-2014 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1610485)
Airplanes, yes.

But I run my car close to empty (as long as I know there will be gas available when I need it).

Say I get gas 3 times/month, that's 36 gas stops/year. If instead I do it at 1/4 tank now I make 48 stops/year.

Assume I drive from age 18-90, and that it takes ten minutes to get gas. That's 144 lost hours, or 3.5 work-weeks wasted getting gas when I didn't really need to. I'd rather take a European vacation instead.

Also the extra start-stop cycles cause engine wear, but that probably only matters if you run your cars until they need an engine overhaul.

Can be a bad idea as most all fuel pumps have moved to the gas tank and use fuel to cool them. When you get really low on fuel the pump can become uncovered and cause premature failure.

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/195

Timbo 03-26-2014 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1610485)
Airplanes, yes.

But I run my car close to empty (as long as I know there will be gas available when I need it).

Say I get gas 3 times/month, that's 36 gas stops/year. If instead I do it at 1/4 tank now I make 48 stops/year.

Assume I drive from age 18-90, and that it takes ten minutes to get gas. That's 144 lost hours, or 3.5 work-weeks wasted getting gas when I didn't really need to. I'd rather take a European vacation instead.

Also the extra start-stop cycles cause engine wear, but that probably only matters if you run your cars until they need an engine overhaul.

I don't really like spending time in Europe, and all my friends are in...

Gas Stations! :D

I love the fragrant men's rooms too!

Sometimes I'll -go- there on the way home, just for the ambiance. :eek:

Note to self, stop every three hours and pee, and fill up with gas. Works for both the Cub and my car!

rickair7777 03-26-2014 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by HIFLYR (Post 1610493)
Can be a bad idea as most all fuel pumps have moved to the gas tank and use fuel to cool them. When you get really low on fuel the pump can become uncovered and cause premature failure.

AGCO Automotive Repair Service - Baton Rouge, LA - Detailed Auto Topics - What Causes Fuel Pumps to Fail

This is 100% true, but only if you get down to very low levels like maybe a gallon or less. I let it get close to the E, but on most new cars that still has several gallons left in reserve, which is enough of a heat sink.

11Fan 03-26-2014 11:10 AM


Assume I drive from age 18-90, and that it takes ten minutes to get gas. That's 144 lost hours, or 3.5 work-weeks wasted getting gas when I didn't really need to. I'd rather take a European vacation instead.


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Brokeasspot 03-26-2014 04:53 PM

Just read that the guys daughter passed away this afternoon. Sad ending for such an excuse less accident. Get there itis usually results in never getting there!


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