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01-12-2015, 05:37 PM

#171

Timbo

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

That happens when the A model you are flying is a cycled out ultra high time relic, that's already been retired out of military service. And the conditions you operate in are low level and moderate to severe turbulence on every pass.

Exactly.

But I don't believe the AirAsia A320 suffered the same fate. Hopefully we'll know what did cause this accident soon.

01-12-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Exactly.

But I don't believe the AirAsia A320 suffered the same fate.

Neither do I..

01-13-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Yeah...in theory.

Now...why do you think so many fire bombers have failed wing spars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYKIGT7EgSA

C-130 has known wing spar cracks and fatigue issues. Doubt that the A320. Plus is the straight wing of the C-130 designed to stall before failure? Doubtful.

01-14-2015, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LaissezPasser

I'm most curious what you folks think of the Indonesian Transport Ministry's new requirement that all airline flight crews, beginning today, must be briefed face-to-face (!) on weather and operational issues before takeoff by an ops person from their airline?

Like Hoss has said, "bureaucratic window dressing". In the same category as having to certify "Fit for Duty", which begs the question, "Would I bother to show up if I wasn't?"

We have a new policy requiring a direct brief for all international flights over 6 hours "unless the captain determines that "overriding operational considerations exist preventing the call". What do you do with a 25 year Captain that has only called the dispatcher 6 or 8 times in his career when a saftey issue was noted. Now a six month dispatcher apprentice is going to hold his hand on weather charts?!!! We have had dispatchers that thought/said, if you couldn't get the MD-80 into Nantucket, you could just drive over from Boston in a rent-a-car, to be in position for the morning.

Last edited by Captain Bligh; 01-14-2015 at 04:11 AM. Reason: expanded realization of absurdity

01-14-2015, 04:07 AM

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BTW, news reporting today the main fuselage has been located, 3km from the previously found tail section. Does anyone think one or the other could have floated prior to sinking long enough to drift that distance? I personally don't. leading me to unfairly jump to a conclusion of an inflight separation of the two. What language did they use in the cockpit, in other words will we have to wait for a translation also?

01-14-2015, 04:37 AM

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Fuselage found.

Found: Fuselage of AirAsia flight QZ8501 - Channel NewsAsia

01-14-2015, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh

It looks like in the pictures from the ROV the numbers indicate around 300, which I assume to be 300 meters. With the aircraft breaking apart on impact of the water and currents, especially strong winds and currents given the weather, the tail section and fuselage could have easily drifted that far apart. Just my uneducated opinion though.

01-14-2015, 07:52 AM

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Starting to sound a lot like the AF Airbus crash, for the same reasons.

Got to wonder what Airbus is going to do to "Fix" their frozen AOA/Pitot tube issues if indeed that's what also caused this one?

01-14-2015, 01:32 PM

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No real CRM plus your standard 3-way fight between the Cpt, FO, and whatever the Airbus software programmer thought might be helpful. In the coffin corner. You're trying to penetrate the heavy stuff in a single-aisle weakling, NEED to climb from 32,000, get denied... *I* turn back or divert. Alive. They.... didn't. Betcha they were nose-up, stalled, at full power, and fighting each other... ALL the way down. "We're sinking! POWER! PULL BACK!" "What's happening?" (sound of stick pusher & stall warning continue to impact, throttles remain at full EPRs)