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aaatwood 02-24-2016 04:41 PM

USAir rejected takeoff - gear collapse
 
Whoops!

Accident: US Airways A320 at Philadelphia on Mar 13th 2014, rejected takeoff

DCA A321 FO 02-25-2016 02:28 AM

Not exactly a rejected takeoff.

DC8DRIVER 02-25-2016 09:50 AM

From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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say again 02-25-2016 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 2075457)
From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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No, we don't need it! :eek: It's just a reminder to take the thrust levers out of the climb detent to idle or else you'll be "landing" at approach speed, as the auto-thrust wouldn't kick off

Adlerdriver 02-25-2016 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 2075195)
Not exactly a rejected takeoff.

I think "abortion" is the term you're looking for.

Dashdog 02-25-2016 02:14 PM

You realize this happened two years ago, right?

Discussed here:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sa...ident-phl.html

Adlerdriver 02-25-2016 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Dashdog (Post 2075701)
You realize this happened two years ago, right?

Discussed here:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sa...ident-phl.html

Probably resurfaced when the report became final. I'll bet they both wished they retired at 60. :D

WARich 02-25-2016 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 2075457)
From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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Actually pure technique I find it useful to "retard" before the **tching betty tells me too. I find the 50 foot call useful, eliminates the float. Especially with funky winglet type things....

rickair7777 02-25-2016 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2075484)
I think "abortion" is the term you're looking for.

Yeah that was the adjective that coalesced in my mind as I read the report.

Airhoss 02-27-2016 06:57 AM

Looking at the pictures people evacuating had their carry on bags with them....:rolleyes:


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