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Old 02-24-2016, 04:41 PM
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Accident: US Airways A320 at Philadelphia on Mar 13th 2014, rejected takeoff
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:28 AM
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Not exactly a rejected takeoff.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:50 AM
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From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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No, we don't need it! It's just a reminder to take the thrust levers out of the climb detent to idle or else you'll be "landing" at approach speed, as the auto-thrust wouldn't kick off
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO View Post
Not exactly a rejected takeoff.
I think "abortion" is the term you're looking for.
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You realize this happened two years ago, right?

Discussed here:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sa...ident-phl.html
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Originally Posted by Dashdog View Post
You realize this happened two years ago, right?

Discussed here:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sa...ident-phl.html
Probably resurfaced when the report became final. I'll bet they both wished they retired at 60.
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
From the report:

"According to Airbus, the RETARD alert is designed to occur at 20 ft radio altitude on landing and advise the pilot to reduce the thrust levers to idle. "

Now, I don't fly a bus and never have ... but is this REALLY the level of automated assistance that we, as professional pilots, are required to have these days to simply fly a plane??? Being told to "Retard" the thrust levers on landing??

Obviously, there is a high level of automation and electronic assistance of all modern planes, including Boeings, that has made aviation much safer and that's a good thing.

But just how far is Airbus going to "dumb down" the act of piloting a plane?

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Actually pure technique I find it useful to "retard" before the **tching betty tells me too. I find the 50 foot call useful, eliminates the float. Especially with funky winglet type things....
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
I think "abortion" is the term you're looking for.
Yeah that was the adjective that coalesced in my mind as I read the report.
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Looking at the pictures people evacuating had their carry on bags with them....
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