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at6d , 10-05-2019 07:16 AM

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You should ask which airline will furlough the most in the next decade.

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CoefficientX , 10-05-2019 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by at6d

You should ask which airline will furlough the most in the next decade.

Fair question. The industry can turn on a dime.

#13

Monkeyfly , 10-05-2019 08:56 AM

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United is scheduled to retire 6200 pilots by the end of 2030

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Voski , 10-05-2019 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by at6d

You should ask which airline will furlough the most in the next decade.

If things continue trending the way they are now, it'd probably be AA.

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ZeroTT , 10-05-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by at6d

You should ask which airline will furlough the most in the next decade.

There’s always something new, but

1) a LOT of excess capacity has been wrung out of the system
2) a LOT of people will retire

Those are two significant cushions against furloughs (At least until they figure out self driving cars or self driving airplanes)

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captjns , 10-06-2019 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by at6d

You should ask which airline will furlough the most in the next decade.

Easy... the carrier that code share the most both domestic and internationally where cheaper labour is available.

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Left Handed , 10-07-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Powderkeg

The problem will be convincing the pilots at the (U)LCC’s to turn their backs on Captain pay and being 50% up their seniority list. From my non-scientific research there are very few pilots at NK and F9 (that are over 35 or have more than a couple years seniority) that are still updating their legacy apps.

If you disrupted Spirit’s schedule enough, and shrunk their structure enough, some of the bottom captains would be downgraded to FOs. They would more likely then be willing to leave which would perpetuate that cycle and make more Captains downgrade and then leave. Wash rinse repeat. The crusty old senior guys would probably be the last to leave. Not likely, but I could see that as a scenario.

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OOfff , 10-07-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Powderkeg

The problem would be the obvious anti-competitive practice lawsuit that would prevent this from ever being, as the OP put it “smart.”

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ShyGuy , 10-07-2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Big E 757

The correct answer is: everyone, hopefully!

Things CAN change. Everyone says AA has the biggest numbers of retirements coming up. The numbers Ive seen posted do confirm that. But it’s not a ton more than UA and DL. A couple hundred more some years, if I remember correctly.

If the economy stays strong, and aircraft deliveries continue on the current pace, the legacies are going to pillage the regionals and LCC’s for pilots. If the economy slows down and/or we enter a recession, retirements will definitely offset any need to furlough, and either hiring stops for a while or at least slows down.

The bottom line is, the entire industry has changed for the better the past 10-12 years. The consolidation hasn’t recession proofed us, but it’s made the entire industry more viable. All the pain we’ve all felt from the lost decade is going to pay off. I wouldn’t try to sharp shoot things at this point. The real answer is go to the first airline that hires you, but keep your apps updated at your #1 and #2 airlines for the first year or two.

If the legacies were smart, they could eliminate a competitor or two in the process. Pick an LCC, say Spirit. If United, Delta, American, and Southwest decided for 6 months or a year to interview every spirit guy or girl that applied, they could cause a huge disruption to Spirit’s operation while satisfying their hiring numbers. I know it’d involve collusion and would be illegal, but it’d be hard to prove in a court of law also. They’re typed on an aircraft all the legacies operate, except Southwest, as long as the phone calls weren’t recorded, it’d be tough to prove. After Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant would be up next. Easy, right?

I better go to bed before I get myself sued by Spirit management.

And it HAS happened in the past. Back in the late 90’s, if you got hired at TWA, you “almost” had a class date at Delta once you passed your 727 FE ride.

Hire out of a competitor, and send that competitor spiraling. It’s only a pilot fantasy. Nothing more. Will not happen.

Plenty of Spirit pilots have no ambitions to start all over. Seniority is a tough thing to give up, no matter of good the retirement numbers look coming ahead.

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SilentLurker , 10-07-2019 04:38 PM

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When pilots think they have future staffing and retirement numbers figured out. Thomas Cook come around to show the industry, employees, and customers the middle finger.

Sounds familiar? Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, TWA-though salvaged by AA happened overnight.

Don't give mainline credit by saying they will be bailed out.