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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Would the company (labor relations attorneys) allow these people to contact people at the company and affect change immediately? Im very doubtful on that. Isn’t that why we have duty officers? I find it very hard to believe the company would allow some contract answer team person to call over to Crew Scheduling and have them start changing stuff if they don’t think they are doing something wrong. Im assuming the previous place you had this at was a regional? If so this place is a whole different game. This company is ran by attorneys at every level. Even the emails I have sent to the chief pilot in regards to the contract have been deferred to the lawyers. None of them have any power unless the lawyers say its ok.
These volunteers weren’t just any pilot. They typically were members of the scheduling and contract enforcement committee or someone who had been in some position like that, all of which worked with crew scheduling supervisors and managers of the equivalent of our DOs. It was based on relationships, trust, and respect these people developed by having worked together over the years.
This place is no different than any other place. We are all humans that interact with each other. Look, you speak mightily of educating pilots you fly with, which is good. It’s how attitudes are changed over a long period of time. This would be no different. It’s never easy to change culture but it always takes a long time. I’m not saying it’s easy or even possible. But the previous way certainly wasn’t going to work to change anything in a way that helps pilots.
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Yeh the second you say “do this or do that” you are now liable for a lawsuit if that pilot doesn’t have the outcome they wanted. So now we have pilots litigation against pilots. That is a slippery slop once you start telling them what to do. So I completely understand why they would’ve said only reference the contract. I bet even those volunteers don’t want that liability. This is why attorneys and Contract Enforcement people need to do the actual telling of what to do. Remember many of those suggestions you would give to pilots could have legal ramifications.
No good deed goes un punished.
The litigation concern is no different if a contract Enforcement person gives this bad advice than if it came from a pilot. It’s still a pilot suing the pilot’s representative, the MEC, ie pilot versus pilot. So that’s not a valid concern. If this was true then all answers from contract enforcement to contract questions would simply be a reference to chapter and paragraph in the contract.
Look, I get it. You and I fundamentally disagree because of our previous experiences. All I’m saying that this idea has worked. It’s not impossible to work because it doesn’t violate any laws of physics. And we also know that just giving contract references doesn’t work either. And we also know that ordinary people are trained to give actual contract answers. So it can work. We just need to trading and empower pilots to be those people who can answer contract questions 24/7/365.