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#11

BoilerUP , 12-26-2013 04:49 AM

The NeverEnding Story

A stretched E195 has not yet been announced, and even if it was announced tomorrow it wouldn't be certified and ready for deliveries for a number of years.

#12

What , 12-26-2013 04:57 AM

Underpaid...

Do we really think that the pay disparity between group I and II is enough to make up the lost of revenue by having less seats. Last I checked the E190 has a higher cost per seat mile than the Bus. Also look at how AA is going to change the flying schedule in summer 2014, they are going back to waves, this is likely to lead to less frequency and larger airplanes.

#13

teddyballgame , 12-26-2013 05:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

Not only is the pay scale way less, but if you read the fine print of the MOU it must stay that way for "10 years or 2 contract cycles".

Also, it's not just E-190s that apply to group 1, it's anything up to 118 seats!

Therefore, in conclusion, we're getting a crap-ton of group 1 airplanes.

You can be sure that 99% of the 75% of the US pilots who approved the MOU did not read the fine print.

They only looked at the pay rates, then voted "Yes".

Just as Parker expected them to do.

#14

R57 relay , 12-26-2013 05:31 AM

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I read the fine print and thought "This is a huge roll of the dice. The whole contract gone for a 15 page document." The thing was, it was going away anyway. Parker was completely going around USAPA and the US pilots. With no MOU we would have been at the same place just a year or two later.

Most west pilots I know voted it for it strictly for the Nic. They(you?) really gave up some good contract provisions.

A lot of folks thought we had a ton of leverage with the CofC. I thought the company could have gotten around that, but we did have to ability to prevent code sharing. What all that was worth, who knows? Our pilot group was/is too dysfunctional to know.

#15

R57 relay , 12-26-2013 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by meyers9163

The E190 is a great pilots plane....

Ugh. I hated that thing. Best compliment I could give it was that it was better than the F100. I guess it's all perspective. I never wanted to fly it in the first place.

#16

seafeye , 12-26-2013 06:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Ah I hadn't a clue.... The E190 is a great pilots plane.... Group one pay obviously isn't great but right now if you don't want to be group one you most likely can by the end of your first year...... I know things change but for the time being this is nice.

Plus does group one get pay parity review? What companies do we compare it against? B6?

So you vote a big YES to the concessions at PSA and now you think you deserve pay parity?

#17

ackattacker , 12-26-2013 07:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers9163

Plus does group one get pay parity review? What companies do we compare it against? B6?

The APA contract, which the MOU adopts, sets the ratio between Group I and Group II-V. So when parity review happens Group I pay goes up to maintain the same ratio.

#18

Al Czervik , 12-26-2013 08:12 AM

You scratched my anchor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

Not only is the pay scale way less, but if you read the fine print of the MOU it must stay that way for "10 years or 2 contract cycles".

Can you post the language? Other posts disagree with this.

#19

PilotJ3 , 12-26-2013 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seafeye

So you vote a big YES to the concessions at PSA and now you think you deserve pay parity?

They think they will be in USAir next year...

AAG will grow PSA and shrink eagle, while trying to keep as much pilots in the regionals forever.

#20

ackattacker , 12-26-2013 08:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Can you post the language? Other posts disagree with this.

It's not in the MOU. It's in the APA contract Section 3.A.4

Quote:
4. Equipment Group Pay Relationship Neither party shall, without the written consent of the other party, seek to modify the pay relationship (i.e. ratio) set forth in this Section 3 between Group I and Groups II - V through the processes of the Railway Labor Act for a period of two (2) contract cycles or ten (10) years from January 1, 2013, whichever is later.