If RIV doesn't reopen it appears likely we'll continue running the schedule through LAX, a net reduction of 2 DC9's, as far as I can tell. Don't know what they're doing with the MHR-RIV 767, that might even salvage another plane. There's still enough freight to run the west coast, just possibly not enough to justify the RIV sort.

Assuming all remaining 8 crews are surplused in '07, that's about half the 767 crews that will be required from here out.

Age 60 is the big wildcard this year. Last info I saw we have about 35 retirements. When I ran the numbers it looks like we could park the 8's and 8 or 9 more DC9's this year without any need to furlough.

Yup, age 60 rule change would have a big effect around here; there's lot's of guys within a couple years of 60. Me, I hit 60 and I'm outa here, promise. But I've still got couple years left.

NOT FLAMIN Y'ALL HERE, BUT HOW DID DHL "F&%&" AND "RUIN" EVERYTHING FOR AIRBORNE? WEREN'T YOU FURLOUGHING PILOTS WELL BEFORE DHL CAME INTO THE PICTURE. THOUGH THINGS ARE NOT AT ALL PRETTY, I KINDA OF THINK THEY SAVED Y'ALL FROM A WORSER FATE, LIKE SHUTTING DOWN ALL TOGETHER. MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY DOESN'T SHOW AIRLINES THAT ARE DOING "WELL" FURLOUGHING PILOTS.

I MUST ADMIT THOUGH I DO LIKE WATCHING HETE SHOVE IT UP DHL'S BUTT. HOPE YOUR ANA CONTRACT GROWS AND GROWS.





f&%$ DHL, Dumb Hun Losers. They ruined everything. I enjoy watching Hete telling them to stick it up their a$$ with their 1.75. Maybe Voltmeter can now blow sunshine every year with his "image is wearing the uniform for our best customer." Only this time it's ANA. Worst case scenario is DHL.[/QUOTE]

That’s apparently a common perception with you Astar guys. Here’s the truth. With the exception of 2001, Airborne Express was profitable every year going back 30+ years.

I don’t expect you to take my word for it, look for yourself.
http://www.prnewswire.com/gh/cnoc/comp/024550.html

Profitable companies don’t shut down. The truth is ABX was flying more freight out of ILN before DHL bought Airborne, than DHL (via both ABX and Astar) is flying out of ILN now. And making a profit doing it.

Still think DHL saved us from a ‘worser fate’? That was probably put forth by your union, trying to rationalize this stupidity:

“…an injunction to restrain DHL Holdings and its subsidiaries from contracting air transportation services to ABX”
http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_file...j/JD-64-04.htm

And what's with an Astar pilot with an ABXGO username? Are you trying to confuse everybody else, or are you just that confused?

JUST ASKING WHY A "PROFITABLE" COMPANY WAS FURLOUGHING PILOTS.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATE URSELF ABOUT THE WHY AND WHATS OF THE SCOPE CASE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT ASTARLABORTALKS.COM. "I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT".

I'M AN ABX WANNA BE.

I'M AN ABX WANNA BE.[/QUOTE]

yea me too.....I didnt want to get everybody's panties in a wad I was just hopeful...or maybe wishful thinking....its a little off thread but ABXGO is your aircraft RVSM ed??????

Ask any ABX pilot who was here seven + years ago (ie. all ABX pilots)
The stories of station managers who complained of excessive freight vs. lift. They constantly coaxed Wilmington (or Seattle) into providing more lift, which, mgmt consistently withheld. The day that DHL deal was announced we all immediately knew why that lift was so scarce. Donaway et al had sold us down the river and had been crafting the deal years prior to that date. The sad part was that Airborne Express lost thousands of employees (not just pilots) and many important dedicated personnel. My point is that most of that stagnation and subsequent regression was self-sabotage while the top was looking for parachutes. I'm sure Donaway is struggling on Mercer Island. Regarding "saved Y'all from a worser fate", I'm quite sure even ABX would have a hard time squandering 6% (13% down to 7%) of the market. DHL's problem is that they don't listen to anyone. Hete's explained to them several times how to save $150 M. Normally I'm not a big management partisan but even I can see the inadequacies behind DHL's so-called strategy.

ROGER. OUT.

So you guys in court against Polar yet?

Yes.

yea me too.....I didnt want to get everybody's panties in a wad I was just hopeful...or maybe wishful thinking....its a little off thread but ABXGO is your aircraft RVSM ed??????[/QUOTE]