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Quote: Maybe he was heading to his chief pilot office to self report and enter the program after finally realizing he was out of control. Was that his intent? Sure hope so.

If that be the case... if he was traveling home to have a chat with the CP, then he’s a perfect candidate for the Charles Darwin Hall of fame for traveling in uniform.
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Quote: If that be the case... if he was traveling home to have a chat with the CP, then he’s a perfect candidate for the Charles Darwin Hall of fame for traveling in uniform.
Was he in uniform?
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Quote: Self evaluate? Where?
At the hold short line? The first waypoint on the SID?
Truth or Consequences VOR?

We all make mistakes, some are more serious then others. Some we get away with and some we don’t.
He had enough opportunity to report unfit for duty.
He could have reversed course in the jetbridge. He didn’t.
Over and done with. Goodbye. Next applicant please.
You know that, and so do I. But it will not hold up in court.

Similar for automotive DUI.

Sitting at the bar with your keys in your pocket: Definitely not DUI

Starting the car and exiting the parking lot: Definitely DUI.

Justice system has tried to criminalize everything in between, from walking towards the exit of the bar, to sleeping it off in the car with keys in hand. They've had mixed results, but the line has been pretty clearly drawn that if you don't actually touch the vehicle it won't hold up.

Prosecutors would be afraid that a jury would view it context of automotive DUI or that a judge would throw it out for over reach.
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Quote: It definately belongs in tool of the day. We all know the obvious rule of no drinking and flying. Its things like this that make automated flight decks more appealing to airlines and gives them more excuses to look into getting rid of us. Yeah yeah alcoholism is a disease I've heard it before. He had enough common sense to leave the TSA line so he should have enough common sense to call in sick. The victim card is used too much these days. Have to be responsible for your own decisions.
I get the whole diseas thing, that you can't stop.

I don't get (or accept) that an adult who is sufficiently functional to fly a jet cannot recognize that consumption of large quantities of alcohol inside duty buffers indicates that he should not report for duty and should call HIMS instead.

Some choose to manage it (knew plenty in the navy in the old days) where they respect the set boundaries of duty and never show up with illegal BAC, while still having a serious problem. Knew guys who could go weeks at sea without a drop, but couldn't put the bottle down for a minute when ashore.
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Quote: I am in no way justifying his actions, but nothing in the article states that he was actually operating the flight. He might have been commuting, non reving, or on a deadhead.
What is it with you people?
Google broken?
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/suspected-drunk-delta-pilot-arrested-at-msp-before-flight-to-san-diego
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Quote: What is it with you people?
Google broken?
Suspected drunken Delta pilot arrested at MSP before flight to San Diego - Story | WJZY
You people?

Again, where did it say he was operating the flight? No need for the butt hurt. The initial reports had very little information. I'm sure we will find out more, but right now it is not clear whether he was operating the flight.
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Quote: What is it with you people?
Google broken?
Suspected drunken Delta pilot arrested at MSP before flight to San Diego - Story | WJZY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/de...ted/ar-AAF7U3E

The original story linked in this thread said that he was intercepted after attempting to bail out of the screening line.

Your story days he bailed out of the line and was later arrested on the plane. If that's the case, then yes he's hosed. Not sure how he got on the plane if he was afraid of getting screened though.
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Quote: You people?

Again, where did it say he was operating the flight? No need for the butt hurt. The initial reports had very little information. I'm sure we will find out more, but right now it is not clear whether he was operating the flight.
Why would a Minneapolis man be jumpseating in uniform to San Diego to go to work and his removal cause the delay of and deplaning of a flight? Stop trying to justify his behavior
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Quote: Why would a Minneapolis man be jumpseating in uniform to San Diego to go to work and his removal cause the delay of and deplaning of a flight? Stop trying to justify his behavior
Read my early post. I made it clear I’m not justifying his actions. People are just adding information that wasn’t in any of the reports.

Where did it say he was in uniform? His mug shot does not indicate he was in uniform.

He might live in SAN and was jump seating home.

And the delayed flight means nothing. If we have to remove a passenger or employee from the cabin after we board, it will cause a delay. After the United incident SOP is to deplane everyone. That would cause the delay.

Most other articles covering similar stories usually use the phrase “removed from the cockpit” or “removed from the aircraft.” The media on this event uses the phrase “removed from the cabin.”

All that being said, none of that is acceptable but there is a difference between being drunk in the cabin and being drunk in the cockpit.
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Quote: Read my early post. I made it clear I’m not justifying his actions. People are just adding information that wasn’t in any of the reports.

Where did it say he was in uniform? His mug shot does not indicate he was in uniform.

He might live in SAN and was jump seating home.

And the delayed flight means nothing. If we have to remove a passenger or employee from the cabin after we board, it will cause a delay. After the United incident SOP is to deplane everyone. That would cause the delay.

Most other articles covering similar stories usually use the phrase “removed from the cockpit” or “removed from the aircraft.” The media on this event uses the phrase “removed from the cabin.”

All that being said, none of that is acceptable but there is a difference between being drunk in the cabin and being drunk in the cockpit.
The SOP is not to deplane everyone anytime a passenger is removed. Where do you get that information? And you especially don't do it AFTER the person is removed from the plane. That makes no sense.
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