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Originally Posted by andreas500
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Originally Posted by Nevets
There's our unity folks. Some of us just want to continue riding the coat tails.
Perhaps this issue is bigger than your constant battle against all that is not in total agreement with you - perhaps this is the opportunity to get pilots of all regionals united against the true issue - the unacceptable decrease in pay and work rules for professional pilots, where ever it pokes up it's slimy head.
So, just maybe, at his time, show that you put out your hand to work with all regional pilots, regardless of company, union affiliation (or not), and make this happen. There will always be those that do not help the fight, but this is not a union / non-union fight, this is a pilot vs management fight, and it can be won. Now is the time, if ever.
Look, this is a "stop the whipsaw" campaign. Guess what? Us XJT pilots are getting whipsawed by Skywest pilots! And that's before we get whipsawed against the rest of the industry.
So don't go try to rationalize your coat tail riding! You want to stop the whipsaw? Then the first thing Skywest pilots need to do is unionize! Anything other than that is hypocritical lip service!
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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Unity? Once you certify SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent, then you can have credibility when complaining about unity.
Yes, the pilots are the unity problem, not the union who refused to include the organization that represents those pilots.
Because we all know that unity is absolutely impossible without a legally recognized union.
It is fact that whipsaw between the two airlines owned by Skywest will not stop until you guys stop riding coat tails and unionize. But you want to keep using your straw man argument that you don't like ALPA.
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi
Yes, the pilots are the unity problem, not the union who refused to include the organization that represents those pilots.
Because we all know that unity is absolutely impossible without a legally recognized union.
nevets doesn't care about actual unity. he just cares about everyone being in alpa. he couldn't care less if we at skywest actually stand together and keep help keep the industry from falling farther down. he would only care if we were alpa.
if we became alpa, nevets then wouldn't care if we voted in a big concessionary package...he would just hail the fact that we did so as an alpa represented group.
Everything you just wrote is an absolute lie! Don't go ALPA! But the fact remains that your management will keep whipsawing you against XJT pilots. If you truly wanted to stop the whipsaw, at the very minimum, you guys would unionize.
But I'm sure all we will here are crickets or excuses or rationalization a or in your case, lies.
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Originally Posted by TMoney
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ALPA wouldn't let you in the conference, the conference was the idea of some Eagle elected Reps, the same guys who out pressure for the B scale to go down the drain after the AE MEC chairman presented it to the company with ALPA's blessing. The AE MEC chairman along with ALPA national didn't allow SKW and RAH in the call. This did not sit well with the pilot groups and with the LEC reps who did all the leg work to bring everyone together. SKW and RAH union leadership has been contacted and briefed on how everyone will work together from now on whether ALPA likes it or not. We will replace the MEC chairman next week and so far it looks like we will put someone there who will look to work with ALL other regionals. The guy currently sitting there works for management and is protected by ALPA national... The pilots are seeking legal action against him for wasting thousands of dollars and fraud.
Thank you very much for the update. I know there are some people who will always be negative and post about how we can't get along if we aren't all unionized or that if you are unionized you're in the wrong. Every company is different and has reasons for having or not having a union. That should be respected. If you don't work there then you don't know the reasons for others to want to have or not have a union. At SkyWest I am happy to not have a union because I don't think we need one. If I was at Republic, I may feel differently towards unions. Bottom line, I'm just appreciative of hearing that the Eagle pilots (and hopefully all regional pilots) are willing to look beyond the union issue to keep from losing quality of life at any and all of our respective companies. Union or non-union. We are all pretty damn kickass and should get paid more...not accept concessionary contracts. Stay positive and stick together, regardless of what company name is on the nose of the plane in tiny letters that the flying public never notices or really cares about.
It's easy for you to say when it's your group that is being used against your sister airline in order to depress compensation, ie whipsaw. I work for the same CEO and BOD as you do.