UPS Accident - BHM

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Quote: Most pilots are embarrassed about "go arounds" people. ATC wants to know the reason, the employer wants to know the reason and basically the pilot does not want to be seen to be a goof. There is far too much hubris with you guys. If an approach is dangerous don't accept it. If the company you fly for is not happy move to Taiwan. Plenty of good employers out there. At least you KNOW that some far flung destination will have a non precision approach. You don't have to accept third world standards in the USA. An airport this size not having a radar fix on approach heights is unbelievable.
Incorrect. Never met anyone who gets 'embarrassed' about a go-around. Keep in mind that I get paid by the minute, as well.

I think I see why the Aviation Herald was having a problem with your posting. This drivel is wrecking an otherwise productive safety discussion.
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The discussion would not exist if BHM 18 approach had better facilities. The "Aviation Herald" report site is busier than ever. Reports from sources that are new. No longer can places like BHM hide faults like this. The public have rights and the USA has a constitution and a legal system...thats why most of us in the EUR took off to the USA. If you cannot stand comment then there is little difference between the USA and the former USSR.
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as a member of APC I am calling for thread to be locked.

deterioriated and the discussion is no longer professional nor respectful in light of the deaths of two fellow aviators.

discussion can be re-started down the road
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Quote: The discussion would not exist if BHM 18 approach had better facilities. The "Aviation Herald" report site is busier than ever. Reports from sources that are new. No longer can places like BHM hide faults like this. The public have rights and the USA has a constitution and a legal system...thats why most of us in the EUR took off to the USA. If you cannot stand comment then there is little difference between the USA and the former USSR.
You better call the NTSB and let them know you've done their job. This discussion very well could exist. There's no cause yet pointing to the approach and you seem to not even know what an instrument approach is, precision or non precision. I imagine you would know a well equipped system if it were in your backyard. If it didn't happen two weeks ago in Birmingham, it could have very well happened next week in Boise.

Ladies & gentlemen, please congratulate Dergrossen on becoming the newest person to completely watch all Air Crash Investigations series !
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Dgrassen is not an engineer. He is posing as someone who uses mathematics and does a bit of background on a technical subject to become aware of the nuances.

I go back to my first guess of "reporter". He might be an ambulance chasing lawyer, but there's no need for name calling.

Ignore engaged.
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Quote: as a member of APC I am calling for thread to be locked.

deterioriated and the discussion is no longer professional nor respectful in light of the deaths of two fellow aviators.

discussion can be re-started down the road
Please! The good information is too buried by wild speculation. If you didn't get it from an official source you are bogging down the discussion.
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I will be away for a day or two. I have more respect for the dead than most. The NTSB is a top class set of people as are most of the FAA staff. Vocational in motive.
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Quote: Most pilots are embarrassed about "go arounds" people. ATC wants to know the reason, the employer wants to know the reason and basically the pilot does not want to be seen to be a goof. There is far too much hubris with you guys. If an approach is dangerous don't accept it. If the company you fly for is not happy move to Taiwan. Plenty of good employers out there. At least you KNOW that some far flung destination will have a non precision approach. You don't have to accept third world standards in the USA. An airport this size not having a radar fix on approach heights is unbelievable.
Wrong again. I have never been embarrassed by doing a go around, ATC didn't care why I did it, and my employer never asked any questions. Any other uneducated crap you want to talk about?
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Quote: Most pilots are embarrassed about "go arounds" people. ATC wants to know the reason, the employer wants to know the reason and basically the pilot does not want to be seen to be a goof. There is far too much hubris with you guys. If an approach is dangerous don't accept it. If the company you fly for is not happy move to Taiwan. Plenty of good employers out there. At least you KNOW that some far flung destination will have a non precision approach. You don't have to accept third world standards in the USA. An airport this size not having a radar fix on approach heights is unbelievable.

HAHA W T F are you talking about ?!

The only time I've ever heard ATC ask the reason for a go around was when there are winds and they would like to know if you got hit with windshear. They train for a G/A as much as pilots and no one wants a $200 million dollar piece of metal bent on their watch.
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Quote: the employer wants to know the reason and basically the pilot does not want to be seen to be a goof.
Really? Which employer is that? Everywhere I've worked it's never been an issue

Quote: ATC didn't care why I did it
The times I've gone around, and whenever I hear of someone going around, seems as if tower ALWAYS says "say the reason for the go around?". But I'm pretty sure it's just an issue of them having to fill something out, etc. Not because they actually care for the specific reason. Unless it was their mistake and the pilot caught it that is.
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