..or not.

I give up.

Whalesurfer: I think we are trenched in here for better or worse on this subject. It's not a bad education for new hires. People with strong opinions as new hires can get behind the 8 ball when they are good guys in actuality. There can be a definit cause and effect.

Sorry whale, its too heated at the moment.

Folks, here's the deal. Everything you say, all of you, IS IMPORTANT! ..and all of you have valid points.

However, there was a time when I was looking for a job, desperately may I add. This message board proved to be invaluable to me as I didn't know anyone here at the time.

So if someone wants to learn about specific aspects of our company they'll use thread titles, like I did and many others who were looking for specific information.

One of you needs to start and other will follow. Please..

And here in a nutshell is why this industry has gone down the tubes! The "new" generation, children of entitlement! The world owes you something does it? Here another crew member goes out of his way to try and help you out, give you some "fatherly" advise and you kick him in the ass. I am so glad to be out of this now.

Uhm, how has the industry gone down the tubes by this "new" generation (which Shaggy certainly isn't a part of) when they are just starting to enter the profession? Logic would lay the blame on the old guard....you. Thanks for leaving a mess?

Fellas,

Take a breath and push away from the damn keyboard.

Leave this thread - right here - to the poolies and wannabees and take the personality conflicts elsewhere...shall we?

He not saying anything a good number of Purple guys would disagree with - spend a little time reading on the FedEx forum. How much visceral hatred he has for the liberals is spewed unchecked all over the B&G and is something you could criticize him for. And maybe something potential newhires should be aware of IF they understand that all this family feuding doesn't really exist outside the internet. They were probably sitting next to each other at the beach somewhere for all of this.

Perspective from a relatively new guy (2014 hire): I had a couple legs with sideshow about a year ago. I had seen his posts on the B&G and was dreading it. The reality was, while we may not have seen eye to eye on politics, it was readily apparent that he had a ton of good advice on union dealings, negotiations, and the profession as a whole. Point being that if he pulled me aside for a heart to heart, I'd listen. I don't know Shaggy personally, but we share acquaintances from military life. Their assessment is similar to what we've seen here: good dude but needs to come down a notch or five to avoid premature heart failure. My take for potential new hires: take the job if offered. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. There is certainly plenty of room for improvement. Am I thinking of jumping ship to Delta/American/United? Hell no. This is a good job with good benefits and excellent people to work with; Sideshow and Shaggy included.

Nice way to hang a fellow crewmember on a public forum you F8&*cking douchebag.

Maybe take some time off from the internet and just stick to those prostitutes you know so well in Asia?