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toolowterrain , 09-25-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whooooooocares

Do not come here. I will repeat, DO NOT COME HERE. At every turn the company will do the right thing by them, and only what benefits them the most. You, your family, your sanity will not be taken into consideration what so ever. They will lie, 18-24month upgrades, maybe in a fantasy world. ORF is closing.

We have no real future to offer you here. Do yourself a favor, do not even consider AWAC. Go anywhere else. You will never upgrade in ORD. This means any midwest individual that is applying here thinking they will commute to ORD for 2 years and then upgrade will quickly figure out they will commute to ORD for 3-4 years then possibly upgrade to IAD. This place is a 3rd rate clown show, and an embarrassment compared to what they used to be and still claim to be.

Ahh what the heck. Where are you going? PSA?

#32

sweetholyjesus , 09-26-2017 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pitchtrim

Fact is some will likely...

This is where I stopped listening. Just more recruiter jargon. I don't see the data to support any 18 month upgrade for anyone anytime soon. Being short on FOs doesn't lead to faster upgrades, and the fleet is not growing. But of course our recruiters will BS and say we will likely maybe someday probably offer 18 month upgrades, because everyone else already does!

Heck I think there are a couple guys that have been waiting 18 months just for their upgrade class

#33

pitchtrim , 09-26-2017 04:26 AM

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I'm not a recruiter. I'm just not jaded and blinded by discouragement like some of you. If it's so bad you really should be working elsewhere.

#34

Grumbletrousers , 09-26-2017 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pitchtrim

I'm not a recruiter. I'm just not jaded and blinded by discouragement like some of you. If it's so bad you really should be working elsewhere.

This. People on here need to lighten the **** up.

#35

sweetholyjesus , 09-26-2017 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pitchtrim

I'm not a recruiter. I'm just not jaded and blinded by discouragement like some of you. If it's so bad you really should be working elsewhere.

I didn't say anything was bad, I'm just not buying or selling the recruiter BS like you are. Drink all the kool-aid you want but I will call the BS and recruiter jargon when I see it. Explain one thing that I said that isn't true.

#36

StrykerB21 , 09-26-2017 06:47 AM

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At this point everyone is arguing conjecture which isn't helpful to anyone. The 18 to 24 month upgrade was announced in February. That means every FO on property will have upgraded by February 2019 the latest. Will that happen? Doubtful, but my opinion is just conjecture as well. Lets try not to get so worked up over incomplete information. When all is said and done Air Whiskey is still a decent place to be. It could be much worse, we could all be working for Mesa.

#37

pitchtrim , 09-26-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus

"This is where I stopped listening"
You keep reading

"Just more recruiter jargon"
My opinion based off numbers

"Don't see any numbers to support 18 month upgrades"
I do.

"Being short fo's doesn't lead to faster upgrades"
It does when they are literally hiring 40-50 per month to become properly staffed again. Guess what, upgrades will resume as they were pre exodus.

"Fleet is not growing"
Yes and no. We shrunk a lot this past year. Retired planes and parked planes for both paint and reduced schedules by AA. The overworked fo's may not have noticed this while semi properly staffed captains were barely flying for a few months. As United becomes fully implemented there will be a growth from where we were this past year. As I understand it we can add more flying for United as well.

"Because everyone else already does"
No one has said that.

#38

billyho , 09-26-2017 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by StrykerB21

It could be much worse, we could all be working for Mesa.

Careful what you say. CCAir pilots thought the same thing.

#39

DarkSideMoon , 09-26-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by squib

The 18-24 month upgrade is never going to happen.

That advertisement first came out about 6 months ago. So anyone hired under that assumption will obviously be behind everyone on property 6 months ago. So that means they have 12 months to upgrade 250+ FO's that were already on property to hit the 18 month number before the first guy hired being told that, sees an upgrade. They would need to start upgrading 20 a month now for that to happen, and guess what, not happening.

Everyone keeps saying there's 20+ per month in new hire classes yet the pay day hotline from ALPO clearly shows that half of them are forced to resign.

Junior mans everyday. For everyone. Help out or get an unavailable. "If you don't do this the flight will cancel, blah blah"

Any word as to why there's only a 50% pass rate for the new hires? I have an October class date and anything I can brush up on early would be appreciated. I've done a 135 type before so it won't be my first rodeo but I don't want to end up looking for another job in two months.

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pitchtrim , 09-26-2017 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

Squib was exaggerating for dramatic effect. We did have a high 35-40% fail rate when all we were scraping were bottom of the barrel guys. There were 11 fo resignations on the last fastread and approximately half were new hires.