Apparently you weren't here before Fall of 16. We had maybe 5-20 per class. 5-6 year upgrades. 4 year reserve. No commuter hotels. No movement. Bases closed. They increased pay and now they have more new hires then they can handle. We ran out of FOs to upgrade. AA doesn't need to raise pay to attract NHs. An argument could be made that we need to raise pay to attract 1000 hour 121 pilots. But why raise pay across the board when you can raise short term bonuses? Once our massive NH classes get 1000 hours they won't need the HVA bonus.

Another thread start just to discuss the same ole flow B.S. and blah blah blah. And blah.

The flow is working as intended. It was intended to get people in the door at envoy despite lower pay, and keep them from leaving.

See I think the last part holds more weight than the first part. If I had to be honest I would be much more aggressive about getting hired at anything but a regional. However since the flow is "relatively" close and I live in DFW with all my family I really want AA for the DFW base. I don't see myself leaving to go to Spirit or even Southwest if my ultimate goal is AA. If I didn't have the flow I would take any offer from an LCC or major. I think local DFW guys feel the same. Especially 4-6 year guys.

Exactly. And as much as people try to claim it's worthless, and whatnot, all mgmt has to do is hop on the forums and see how much it's discussed to realize it's value.

Go back to the recruiting office they’re calling you. No more flow threads please it’s getting so old.

Spirit has a base in DFW and pays AA320 rates now.

Exactly...

The frustration at Envoy is hearing that AA wants more Envoy pilots in their new-hire classes and Envoy is not giving them up. Plenty of arguments to be made for and against opening the flow valve to match the demand.

DFW base, yes. AA rates? Not even close with their new TA.