Post of the year. They only are throttling temporarily and it'll resume especially when they get right seat qual captain. But as you said they're short FO, so what are they supposed to do, upgrade them to CA and be even shorter? Yet they can't just not upgrade either. That's why it's 8. It's the minimum that lets them kick the can down the road a bit. But they can CA upgrade fast if they need to, it is a tiny footprint unlike initial new hire FO. If they find themselves a bit short on CA they can literally do 3 classes of 12 in a month and boom, no more shortage.

That's all I have to contribute

If that were invariably true, then regionals would not be hiring street captains, like Horizon to name just one, who has junior FOs sitting around not getting consolidation time on their new ratings, while not having enough FOs with 1000 hours of 121 time to upgrade to captain to staff the q400s which are still two-thirds of their fleet.

Hence moving heaven and earth to find hires with prior 121time

So which is it, the upgrade time is too long or there's not enough people with 1000 hrs? Because it can't be both. It's the excargodog paradox!

If they are right and left seat qualified, there’s no problem...you can fly them either seat. So you have an additional CA who can act as FO.

My guess is FOs will upgrade, and find themselves still sitting right seat again, but wearing 4 stripes. They might fly some left seat too, the question is how often.

like mpet said... What do you want them to do? They can only upgrade so many creating a bigger and bigger hole on the fo side. And it does take LOTS of time to get guys through initial.

We need PEOPLE to upgrade more than we need to upgrade to get people. Follow?

the bigger question is when will we see right seat captains. Honestly I'd be surprised if it's before 2019.

Tell that to Horizon and other regionals hiring street captains.

Now you can make fun of me all you want, but I didn't create this problem. Your childlike trust in the people who did to now cope with the problem with simplistic thinking may give you comfort but the issues are just a little more complex than that.

You are assuming, for example, that the rate of senior FOs departing Compass for greener other opportunities is unaffected by the difference in pay they would make as a captain vs a senior FO. Possible, it unlikely.

You are also assuming that potential hires are going to believe in the currently advertised 18-24 month upgrades DESPITE the reduced upgrade rate. Some will of cours, but perhaps not he quality of people you need to reduce the current training delays and attrition.

And yes, eventually queuing and new hires might well actually take care of the problem, assuming another 6-8 months go by and the newbies pass rates can be increased at which point the FO shortage becomes a captain shortage, quite possibly with a dearth of 1000 hour FOs and Compass will be looking for street captains like other regionals.

So rag on me all you want, I didn’t create this problem, Compass management did. And they are trying to get out of a problem if their own creation in the cheap, and I don't think they are going to be successful on the cheap. I think if they don’t change this policy they are headed where Horizon went, farming out their planes and their flying to someone who could adequately staff them.

But if your childish faith in them somehow does prove justified, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong. Time will tell.

dude, who are you? Do you work for compass? I feel like two weeks ago you were just thinking about coming here... Now it seems like you have it all figured out from the outside. We get it, man, our management did stupid... But what are they suppose to do? You aren't offering any suggestions except "you going to keep putting faith in your management?"

If you want to come work here, (if you don't) then come work here. If you are STILL this hung up on these things, maybe another company would be a better fit.

Wow. For someone just trying to break into the 121 world, you sure are throwing out a lot of insults. What’s your endgame here?