please note my above post. I’ve been tracking my performance since 2008 and I have returned north of 20% on an annualized basis. 2020 has definitely accounted for a decent amount of that, perhaps 2-3%.

As for options in 2020, long calls have been the star, but as I said above those are the riskiest ones. For selling premium, which is the longevity play, 2020 hasn’t been great as volatility has been surprisingly low.

will explore. I assume these companies have no options or if they do, they’re illiquid?

Which market? Oh you mean the US market. You know there is a whole lot more to the Global equities market than just the US right?

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We'll see, after the P-demic. I believe that is global.

Exactly. Almost entirely microcaps, nanocaps, illiquid and dark companies.

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The S&P has returned north of 20% per year since 2008...

I'm not as optimistic as you guys, I still have my ration card from WW2. (My parents stole all my meat coupons, all I had left was veggie tickets.)

20% compounded annually? Don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't think so

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this is not a correct statement. Start here and play with the numbers. https://dqydj.com/sp-500-return-calculator/

12.5% since November 2008
14.75% if you reinvested dividends

dont use my link as your sole source; dig in elsewhere and find if your research jives with this. I always run my annualized returns against VFINX which matches very closely to the above link.

Correct, I wasn’t compounding annually. I didn’t know if either of you were in your calculations.


The S&P opened 2009 at 931.80. It closed today at 3647.49. That’s 23% average return per year on a year-by-year basis, not compounding. Are you saying you took the same 931.80 in 2008 and have turned it into 8,300+?