If you have a lot of internal recs and a previous work history as a package handler at the air hub in SDF. What do you think the chances of getting an interview without the oceanic experience requirement?

According to the current job posting zero since it's now listed as a min requirement. Hopefully it will change in a few months.

All applicants must possess the following basic qualifications:

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Have a minimum of 1500 hours of total fixed-wing pilot time
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Have a minimum of 500 hours as either PIC or SIC in Transport Category aircraft or military equivalent
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Have transoceanic crossing experience as either PIC or SIC
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Have a minimum of 1000 hours pilot in command (PIC) hours in fixed-wing jet and/or fixed-wing multi-engine turboprop
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Pilot in Command, per FAR 1.1, means the person who:
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Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
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Has been designated as the pilot in command before or during the flight;
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Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight

I'll say zero until they open it up for guys without heavy, international, time. Then, I'd say your "package handling" time is meaningless. I've never heard of them caring about that. You're internal recs are what matters.

i dont think that the "package handling" would be meaningless, it shows that you do have a history with the company and a little bit of personal development to go from handling boxes to put yourself through college at 19 and then applying for a first officer position at 26?!?! I have heard that the interview board likes when someone who has a history with the company doing the backbone labor of the whole operation, interviews for a pilot position. I know that "package handling" in no way qualifies you to fly an airplane better or safer than any others, but I think it might be an added bonus over an equally qualified applicant who has never worked at UPS before!

Think what you wish. I've never heard of it anyone caring about it. If you meet all the other mins and are lucky enough to get an interview, it might be a short topic of discussion. If you think it will help you to get an interview, I think your wrong. Good luck with it.

I know UPS has a very strong "promoting and hiring from within" policy, lets say hypothetically someone gets the minimum requirements and then gets a job working as a package handler or seasonal driver help. Would that person be able to apply for the position from the inside?!

Think what you wish. I've never heard of it anyone caring about it.

I have. My classmate was hired with part 91 time only, no 121, 135 nor military. He met the minimums at the time as ocean crossing requirement didn't exist 10 months ago. During his interview he felt he screwed up in the sim., but later during the HR interview they kept asking him about his 5 year stint working at UPS throwing boxes and PM told him she used to do that herself.

He left on very good terms and had several recommendations from his previous supervisors. He thinks his previous position definitely helped him in getting the job, I'm very glad it did as he's a top notch guy...

Ps. The funny thing is he went to the FE panel and was given his old employee number which is something like 55… So when he shows up for his trips his captain and the fo usually think he’s a UPS veteran who’s over 60, yet when he shows up they see a guy in his early 30’s who’s still on probation! LOL

I know UPS has a very strong "promoting and hiring from within" policy, lets say hypothetically someone gets the minimum requirements and then gets a job working as a package handler or seasonal driver help. Would that person be able to apply for the position from the inside?!

Sure, but he/she will still need to meet all the minimums that are required at the time of the application. For example currently: 1,000 turbine pic, ocean crossing experience, etc. Also, they like you to be "current" so it might be very tough if not impossible to combine a flying job with a position inside UPS...good luck though, hope you'll make it...

Internal Recs have nothing to do with getting an interview these days. They ONLY help once you have passed the online application process and have been invited for an interview.

I think that you are being too optimistic about the package handling time. As far as UPS promoting from within: I've been here 3 years and maybe have flown with one capt who used to drive trucks here, but it was unrelated to his hiring on as a pilot.

I threw boxes previously and have the old GEMS ID, but it didn't get me the interview or the job. My MD-11 type did that trick.