Jetblue loses about 100 per year prior to the signing of the contract. Post contract we will see. The company expects much less.

Correct, so no seniority number movement from attrition. It's only retirements, which we have none.

You will see a little relative seniority movement from our slow growth, but very very little.

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As a percentage of the whole, is this not so different from the legacies?





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It’s way lower.

American is retiring close to 800 this year. That’s about 9% of their entire list and it continues this way for several year for a total of 50% within 10 years.

It will take JB almost a decade to retire 9% let alone 50%!


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According to the chart, we’re at ~20% by 2029 and 65% by 2039. We ramp up later, but that’s not nothing.

Edit: Just added the retirement numbers from the AA profile here. They’ll retire ~63% in the next ten years, then the retirements drop off when ours start ramping up. It’s no different than JB, just delayed.



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Cool yea if a DECADE isn’t a big deal to you. Hell its only a third of your career.

Here is JB real cumulative numbers based on last system bid of 3682 pilots

2019- .2%
2020- .8%
2021- 1.65%
2022- 2.66%
2023- 3.77%
2024- 5.56%
2025- 7.7%
2026- 9.4%
2027- 11.9%
2028- 15.3%

So you’ve finally made it off reserve. Meanwhile your buddies at AA are already lineholding narrowbody captains.




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Totally makes sense.

How are guys holding a line in under a decade, then? Something seems wrong with that.

Growth, but we are one hiccup away from an Alaska like stagnation from 2001-2015.

You can come to JB and HOPE growth continues and you make your top earnings potential as narrow body Captain in 10 years, or you can go to UAL/AA/DAL and KNOW, because of retirements, you will make narrow body captain and still have room to further grow your earnings potential by another 70k a year on a widebody.


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Tell this to the 2,000 United pilots who were furloughed in 2008 when the 737 fleet was parked. They had retirements, and it wasn't enough to offset parking 100 aircraft.

Retirements do you nothing if the list shrinks.