Hey folks, it's my first time posting a thread, but I'm wondering if I could get some input. I've got a CJO from both Atlas Air and Kalitta Air, both for 747 classes. Any ideas on which company would be a better choice? I like being overseas (former military), and I would like to be at a company I can park long term. Stability and growth are two things I'm after. Thanks in advance!

I think a little research into Atlas will go a long way.

Mil guy chiming in here......take Kalitta. Atlas is a toxic cess pool at the moment. I haven't been able to recommended Atlas to any mil guys, including my good friends. If you're guard/reserve, your better off staying a trougher and getting a regional job with flow. Your MDS vol 3 has better work rules than Atlas.

IMHO,

Slim

As soon as Atlas gets a contract, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ll go back into first place. I think a little research will show a lot more complaining on K4 threads than Atlas threads. It was only recently, within the last two years that K4 started to become a desirable outfit with their new contract. I sure hope it stays that way.

This is like asking do I want $10,000 or would I rather have a six inch knife stabbed in my back.

Atlas is 2-3 years minimum away from a new contract. Very likely it will be imposed by an Arbitrator due to the merger with Southern.

I regret ever coming to this stinking cesspool.

Go to Kalitta and make more money and fly with pilots happy to be there. The K4 contract is amendable in 2020. They will probably have another new contract before Atlas even gets 1.

^^^ this is the current reality... what it might be like in 2-3.... 10 years nobody knows. What I do know is that the situation between the union and the company at Atlas is in the ****ter.... and I believe screwed is right... I would be surprised if a new contract appears in less than two years. How long it will take K4 to settle a new contract is anybody's guess but I do know that this wont be a total rewrite of the contract like the last one. FWIW... for the first time in ... well.. EVER... there are no outstanding grievances with the company and by all accounts communication is good. We shall see as we approach contract 2020. Its entirely possible that a new contract at Atlas will make IT the desirable place in a few years... that sort of thing comes and goes... and this situation is no exception. Good luck in your decision.

I cannot say enough bad about Atlas. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. At the rate we are going now a major accident is likely in the future at 5Y as well. A toxic miserable horrible place to come to work, I am 8 years in and working all day everyday to get out.

As an ex-Atlas guy and having a ton of friends at Kalitta, I'd say go to Kalitta hands down. Things may change for Atlas, but I don't see a contract coming any sooner than a year more likely two. Everyone's miserable and leaving in droves, I don't know how Atlas will sustain the massive attrition.

The upgrade at Kalitta is a year or less where Atlas is 3-7 years. The pay at kalitta is at least double. And Atlas won’t have a cba until kalitta has their new cba. So, clearly you should go to Atlas. Ed Gleason needs a new boat.

Thank you all for the feedback (even the dramatic)The upgrade times and current pay scale make Kalitta seem like the best option, but like a few of you mentioned, this stuff changes quickly. Culture is a big thing to me; I like working with happy folks.


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