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Part 141 - 35 hrs of which 5 solo
Part 61 - use of an approved syllabus is recommended
Part 141 - use of an approved syllabus is mandatory
141 therefore doesn’t give you a whole lot of flexibility if you struggle as a student. Instructor can’t say hey this ain’t working something is not clicking let’s do another lesson and come back to this later.
141 forces you to repeat and repeat and repeat a lesson as you cannot do lessons out of sequence.
Example:
Student struggles with landings.
Now instead of just repeating the same ad nauseum under Part 61 the instructor is free to get some other dual requirements out of the way such as the 3 hr instrument, 3 hr night and the dual cross country flights without frustrating the efforts and keeping the student motivated.
People don’t learn the same skills at the same pace.
I’ve had students that soloed early and I’ve had students that soloed at 30hrs and they still both finished at 45hrs.
You can only do that under Part 61.
YOU NEED FORMAL GROUND SCHOOL
What you need to understand stand is that PPL and IR and CPL have overlapping knowledge areas such as regulations, weather and airspace just to name a couple.
If you don’t learn it right during Private you’ll pay (again) later in the process.
There’s saving money and selling yourself short.
The advantage of 141 is that you can start your IR right after your PPL and you can do the required time building on an IFR flight plan later which makes it more valuable time. It also much safer at night.
I’m going to use some rounded up numbers
100 % Part 61:
50 hrs PPL
50 hrs XC time building
50 hrs IR
50 hrs IFR XC timebuilding
50 hrs dual for CPL and CFI
250 hrs TT
100 % 141
50hrs PPL
50hrs IR
120 hrs CPL course which is mostly dual
This has a metric ton more dual instruction and doesn’t allow you the flexibility in the time building and combining lessons.
The problem here is that I’m trying to explain something that requires knowledge of 61/141 syllabus and regulations to understand.
Technically 141 requires only 35hrs for the Instrument rating but I’ve NEVER had a student finish it in 35hrs and both KNOW and UNDERSTAND what they were doing.
I worked for a very good school and our average for the IR was 42hrs.
Now you also have to consider start up and taxi and travel time to a practice area and vicinity of airports that have the approaches that you need to practice and so on.
Nearest airport that had an ILS approach was 30 miles away which is 15 min flying time each way.
Now you try and use this time in a valuable manner but Part 141 lessons do not assume or include “travel time”.
Lessons calls for an hour.
Well yes but you’ve been #5 for take off and they’re using a different runway and that adds time to fly the instrument approaches the lesson calls for.
Makes any sense?
This Conmercial syllabus has 110hrs dual instruction. Schools have tos tuck to their syllabus like glue and will be penalized if they deviate:
http://skybnd.com/wp-content/uploads...ommercial1.pdf
You can wring a ton more useful experience out of a hybrid 61-141-61 program.
What I’m going to ask you to do is talk with an Instructor that understands this.
Now I’m going to make you an offer you can’t refuse.
If you can’t find anybody to explain it to you then send me a PM and I will call you and talk to you.
Holy crap 110 hours of dual? No wonder it's so expensive Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Part 61. - 40 hrs of which 10 soloPart 141 - 35 hrs of which 5 solo
Part 61 - use of an approved syllabus is recommended
Part 141 - use of an approved syllabus is mandatory
141 therefore doesn’t give you a whole lot of flexibility if you struggle as a student. Instructor can’t say hey this ain’t working something is not clicking let’s do another lesson and come back to this later.
141 forces you to repeat and repeat and repeat a lesson as you cannot do lessons out of sequence.
Example:
Student struggles with landings.
Now instead of just repeating the same ad nauseum under Part 61 the instructor is free to get some other dual requirements out of the way such as the 3 hr instrument, 3 hr night and the dual cross country flights without frustrating the efforts and keeping the student motivated.
People don’t learn the same skills at the same pace.
I’ve had students that soloed early and I’ve had students that soloed at 30hrs and they still both finished at 45hrs.
You can only do that under Part 61.
YOU NEED FORMAL GROUND SCHOOL
What you need to understand stand is that PPL and IR and CPL have overlapping knowledge areas such as regulations, weather and airspace just to name a couple.
If you don’t learn it right during Private you’ll pay (again) later in the process.
There’s saving money and selling yourself short.
The advantage of 141 is that you can start your IR right after your PPL and you can do the required time building on an IFR flight plan later which makes it more valuable time. It also much safer at night.
I’m going to use some rounded up numbers
100 % Part 61:
50 hrs PPL
50 hrs XC time building
50 hrs IR
50 hrs IFR XC timebuilding
50 hrs dual for CPL and CFI
250 hrs TT
100 % 141
50hrs PPL
50hrs IR
120 hrs CPL course which is mostly dual
This has a metric ton more dual instruction and doesn’t allow you the flexibility in the time building and combining lessons.
The problem here is that I’m trying to explain something that requires knowledge of 61/141 syllabus and regulations to understand.
Technically 141 requires only 35hrs for the Instrument rating but I’ve NEVER had a student finish it in 35hrs and both KNOW and UNDERSTAND what they were doing.
I worked for a very good school and our average for the IR was 42hrs.
Now you also have to consider start up and taxi and travel time to a practice area and vicinity of airports that have the approaches that you need to practice and so on.
Nearest airport that had an ILS approach was 30 miles away which is 15 min flying time each way.
Now you try and use this time in a valuable manner but Part 141 lessons do not assume or include “travel time”.
Lessons calls for an hour.
Well yes but you’ve been #5 for take off and they’re using a different runway and that adds time to fly the instrument approaches the lesson calls for.
Makes any sense?
This Conmercial syllabus has 110hrs dual instruction. Schools have tos tuck to their syllabus like glue and will be penalized if they deviate:
http://skybnd.com/wp-content/uploads...ommercial1.pdf
You can wring a ton more useful experience out of a hybrid 61-141-61 program.
What I’m going to ask you to do is talk with an Instructor that understands this.
Now I’m going to make you an offer you can’t refuse.
If you can’t find anybody to explain it to you then send me a PM and I will call you and talk to you.
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