Yes, I am agreeing and emphasizing your good analogy- that should be their recruiting slogan. Never heard it that way, and while it’s not quite yet true it sounds like that’s what they’re hoping for

I agree with this but would add that living in base should be a big factor between the two as it can make a substantial difference in QOL and pay.

Let’s turn some of those statements around that you have.

C5 is moving 10% of the UA class size to UA each class. C5 is a smaller pilot group, so the 10% is moving a larger percentage of pilots to UA than xjt’s 25%. (Divide the number sent to UA each month by c5 and xjt’s pilot base and see who is sending a larger percentage of pilots each month.)

C5 is currently paying fo’s $55.50 one year after they passed their Ioe (Current contract that expires in dec that is being renegotiated and expected to be extended) otherwise $40/ hour. And c5 is paying 75 minimum hours to new hires in training a month, not 65 like xjt, so the rate is higher at xjt but c5 pays more during training.

Also, c5 pays more in new hire bonuses. I could be like jr and just stop there or I could tell you it’s only $100. Since I am not a recruiter like jr, I am nice enough to have stated the down sides of our side as well.

Subodh (new xjt ceo/owner) has a history of ripping up new contracts with airlines and parking older planes so he can operate the newer planes. Only time will tell if xjt really grows or if they move to an all 175 fleet with only 25 planes or maybe 50 total if you believe jr’s rumors. (I still believe there will be some 145’s as well, but the crj’s will be gone. UA hates the crj’s).

“Way better training” is according to whom?

Just be very careful of the used car salesmen (recruiters) on this site that always make everything at their airline look like roses.

Thanks.

C5 is growing and I believe it will continue. Third year FO pay doesn’t matter because by that time, you should be a captain.

XJT shows promise, but is not growing yet. They have AQP, a better contract, and higher first year pay.

I believe they’re both great options and much better than Envoy (low flight time, long reserve, low pay), Endeavor (low flight time, backed up training and start dates), or republic (no classes for 8 months, less likelihood of being hired by one of the big 3).

The discerning factor for most with offers at both places should be: which one has a base I want to live in? For me, they both have EWR, so that makes it a tough call.

I will likely be at either one for less than a year due to my current time and experience. But if I get “stuck” at one, the question as 18-24 months on property rolls around will be “Am I glad I chose commutair because now I’m a captain” or “Am I glad I chose expressjet because it’s a nicer place to work and fly?”

By the time you decide you’ll have about 30 people senior to you at commutair that woulda been junior to you. 😂

watch = calmwinds protege.

I can’t start for couple weeks and have class dates reserved at both spots. If the decision was delaying my start date, I would have decided

I’m just bustin’ balls. Good luck on the decision.

Thanks.

Here are two things I keep checking, just for info. Commutair regularly has 6-7 flights airborne, Expressjet is around 35-45. Per pilot, that's a lot more airborne planes at XJT.... am I missing something, or is this an unfair comparison in some way? I prefer a regional that flies a lot.

This is the expressjet flightaware picture.