“1500 hour rule” - Page 12 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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rickair7777 , 03-04-2019 05:16 AM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

I disagree. This is not an attempt to disparage anyone of any gender. But I've looked up at (or flown in) too damn many missing man formations during my time as a backseater in tactical aviation, and sat on too damn many mishap boards. And it hurts, deep in your soul to see the folded flag handed to the spouse with the kids beside him or her trying desperately to be brave when their whole world has been shattered.

The onus is on the trainers and the commanders to keep junior aviators out of situations they can't handle, not on the newbie's to turn down what they can only perceive as a "golden opportunity."

Everyone, regardless of their gender, deserves better trainers and leaders than those that pushed people who weren't ready into a dangerous situation to further their own careers at the risk of their subordinates lives.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy68

No one is blaming the female pilots for the obvious special treatment they received. This is all on the CO's and politicians that forced it.

Yes. Very much hate the game.

#112

JohnBurke , 03-04-2019 07:38 PM

Disinterested Third Party

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Originally Posted by bh539

No one cares how hard you had it back when gas was a nickel and you walked uphill both ways to get to work. I wasn't an airline pilot then because it didn't make sense economically, and it barely does now.

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Originally Posted by bh539

No need to apologize for your lack of experience.

Those who can't shut up about how hard it is to make it to 1,500 hours, however, only hang a neon sign around their neck that says "inexperienced" on one side, and "idiot" on the other.

Yours appears to be showing both sides.

#113

dera , 03-04-2019 08:06 PM

In a land of unicorns

You guys need to enjoy the hour building to 1500. It could be the most fun flying you'll ever do in your life. Especially if airlines is the goal.
Go do some scenic flying around the Canyon, go to Alaska and fly a season there, go to the Caribbean etc. Some pretty awesome gigs out there for grabs. Have fun, build experience, enjoy it.

#114

SoFloFlyer , 03-04-2019 08:09 PM

Gets Weekends Off

I just became a CFI and I’m happy the 1500 rule exists. I couldn’t imagine trying to support a family on 22k/yr

#115

Approach1260 , 03-05-2019 03:04 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

They pay what the market can bear. There is very little margin in the low end of aviation. One way to get around that is to get rid of anti-competitive regulations and allow more competition. This will allow higher profits with the smaller outfits and thus more wage competition too.

Lol if you think the airlines will take care of you without being forced to then why don't you call your company and tell them you waive your contract. I'm sure they'll be so very grateful.

#116

galaxy flyer , 03-06-2019 02:21 PM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

Many an admiral/general has had a hand in killing their son. A USAFA grad in my class made it well known his father had “pull” as a very senior AF doctor/flight surgeon. One the flight room speaker sang out and asked for Lt Snuffy to report to the SQ/CC office where he was told he would not be a FAIP in either Tweets or 38s. A couple weeks later at assignment night he got his F-15. Less than a year, he was at the bottom of a smoking hole. No one in my class was surprised.

GF

#117

Excargodog , 03-06-2019 03:32 PM

Perennial Reserve

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

Many an admiral/general has had a hand in killing their son.

Absolutely. I’ve seen it happen myself.

#118

Green Needles , 03-09-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem

Yeah that did come across a little dickish, my apologies. What I was trying to say, and let me try this again, is things are finally going the right direction for this career. For years, you were underpaid to do a job that although can be fun at times, comes with great responsibility. If a regional plane smokes a hole in the ground, the news covers it the same way they cover the major airlines. The level of responsibility is parallel, so the insane difference in payscales throughout the career has boggled my mind since the beginning of my career. I too had to take a low paying gig back in 2015 to get my time, I made 18k in 2015. My wife and I had to have a roommate to make rent, and we still managed to get into some debt in the 13 months my paychecks were 500 takehome. So maybe I was briefly part of the problem too, but my point was there shouldn’t be jobs paying that low. Yes one shouldn’t make 100k to fly a caravan or tech in a 172, but they shouldn’t have to starve either. So I have respect for those that refuse to take low paying jobs, they’re not being entitled babies, they just know the value of their training and job responsibilities.

Well said.

#119

Flyboy68 , 03-09-2019 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnBurke

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark!

Kudos to you Mr. Burke!

#120

Cujo665 , 03-17-2019 10:46 AM

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THIS Exactly !!

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

What people don't get is that first 1500 hours in GA is a goldmine of experience...

- You're actually in charge.
- You get to lead/manage a crew (for most folks who do the CFI thing).
- You will experience some equipment failures (more significant than FADEC Channel 2a).
- You'll probably get nervous or even scared once or twice.
- You'll learn about complacency.
- You'll learn about competing economic and safety demands.

Zero-to-hero 121 FO's don't have any of that. Odds are very, very low that they'll have to make tough calls or get scared. They will get complacent as all hell, and won't get cured of that until they learn the hard way as a CA. They've had a babysitter for every or almost every hour they've flown.

Further, the title 1500 hour rule is a misnomer. It is a requirement that both airline pilots, at a part 121 airline, hold airline transport pilot certificates. Hour requirements for certificates were not changed. The requirement to obtain the ATP were also updated to include additional training requirements, hence the plethora of CPT programs. It’s a good change.