So is there any downside whatsoever to this LOA?

That’s the question, I might like to see a “track changes” version of the LOA, though I did already vote...

Isn’t that what essentially happened with the initial Aeromexico JV? The one that’s always posted on chit chat ripping on that Larry dude?

Who is we? The majority of the pilot group didn't ask for the Bartelization of the Policy Manual. Eventually rational folks will undo all this silliness

The KLM and Virgin JVs enhanced Scope and provided significant downside protection. Those LOAs likely would have passed MEMRAT. Those airlines grew but not at our expense. Delta stayed flat and grew significantly domestically where money was raining. Next couple years you will see international growth now that the domestic network is robust and very profitable. In other words the reverse Pan Am

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It shouldn’t surprise you at all that is his opinion on the matter.

But alcohol paid for isn’t......oh wait.

Not my problem if folks don't want to take 60 seconds to vote. What do you know or estimate the expenditure to be here?

I loves me some voting and this LOA is a great one to iron out any kinks and build some muscle memory among the masses. Seems like a good path toward paper-proxy-free elections.

C48 is going through a 100% online nomination/election right now...hopefully it flows to every council.

Forgive me if I’m misreading your post, because I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about, but I think you’re talking about our contract negotiations. Actual work done during section 6 that enhanced our scope language. I’m talking about the days where Letters of agreement, that significantly adjusted our contract language, often to the benefit of the company, were voted on by the MEC, without input or opinion from the pilot group.

Yes, the KLM/AF/VA language has improved, by virtue of section 6 negotiations. Back in the 2001-2009 time frame, I can’t remember when we got memory Rat for LOA’s, the MEC had Carte Blanche (sp?) power to agree to changes in the contract. Having mem rat to have a voice in contract changes, no matter how trivial, is very important to all of us, no matter how trivial the LOA may seem.

This is one of those “ask us how we know” situations. There is a very good reason we have Mem Rat for all contract changes now. And my darn auto correct keeps capitalizing the M and R. But it hasn’t changed the Mem to memory. Sorry SF. I still love you, brother.

He wasn't here for that.