I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
You don’t jumpseat on other airlines to try and get to your base at Atlas.
You get a regular ticket.
Yes, you travel on a day off but more often then not you can travel home on a ‘workday’.
Also last time I checked management doesn’t join you in the cockpit so any toxicity is self induced.

Toxic management?

Like UPS management pilots maybe?

All this talk about toxicity sounds like echo-chamber BS

Which is a better job right now? ATI. Better contract, better pay, real home basing, no day off travels.

which will be better in a few more years? I’d bet on Atlas. Once their integration and CBA finally get done they’ll be a comparable contract with Kalitta, Omni and ATI, plus be a larger company with multiple customers, instead if just one or two.

it will definitely be harder now at Atlas with lower rates, $1600 a month for four months of training and 50 hour guarantee pay first year.

Who pays more? I don't work at either. My friends at Atlas said they got a 10% pay raise.

So comparing the higher rate at Atlas for 2nd year 747 F/O, it’s 110 an hour. ATI is 122.

Atlas gets rig at 4.85 a day

ATI does not have a rig, and it sounds like guys are just making guarantee a month.

I think Atlas guys are always complaining about being gone for 17 days straight or whatever, so that means their rig pay puts them at about 82 hours I take it? Plus I heard their per diem is 4.00 an hour right now cause of COVID (who knows if they’ll keep it).

I’m just looking from the outside here, and I don’t know either contract, so I can’t tell ya who’s making more and whatnot. But the rig pay is certainly not a bad thing for the Atlas guys..

To get 82 hours rig pay your trip would have to start at 00:00 on day one and end at 24:00 on day 17. You’re more likely to get in the low to mid 70s. So far this year I’ve had two months with 10 over, two with 1 (one was a training month and one was what we call a hybrid line, a mix of reserve days and flying days and I wasn’t called out on the reserve days), one with 14 and June will be 13.

Concur, low to mid seventies without trying and trips normally get blown apart with no trip guarantee. 2020 has been weird though - since Jan only 2 trips blew apart. One bad and one for the good. 10% raise, per diem bump temporary most likely and Covid xtra pay = not bad at all. 92 hrs this month as awarded, plus xtra pay, what the heck is going on. Not the norm, but a good surprise. Take the Great with the not so great. It’s fine.

apples to apples on the 767

ATI
first year - $83 per hour, 60 MMG, full pay from day 1
second year - $122 ph

Atlas
first year - $87 per hour, 50 MMG, $1600 per month for about 4 months
second year pay - $92 ph

Small correction, assuming MMG is minimum monthly guarantee.

At ATI its BUG for bid unit guarantee. It’s 60 hours per bid unit at 13 bid units a year. So to make it match up multiply 83 by 60 by 13 then divide that answer by 12. That would be an equivalent monthly guarantee. Otherwise looks about right

ATI is the better company. It's a no-brainer. Go for it.