Such a true statement. ATI was almost dead after the loss of BAX (CCI was already dead). So between the merger and AMZ boost they have life again. ABX, no different. Single customer of DHL and very little AMZ. All the eggs in one basket. Nice when/while it works, the worst and most helpless feeling in the world when it doesn't. As mentioned that process nearly killed ATI (BAX), and ABX (DHL), without significant diversification. Neither are well positioned today with regard to diversity.

I believe Atlas is better at this should one of their revenue streams have a significant change (down-size, remove flying to other ACMI carriers, change in biz model).

The success and viability of ATI rests solely on one very new and fickle customer. ABX/ATI don’t even have sales departments. That should scare you. I’d rather go to work for Atlas with their currently sub-standard contract.

Meh, not entirely true. ATI has more than one contract. Yes amazon is the biggest and fastest growing contract, but we have others. At least 4 others. If ATI were to loose the amazon contract for whatever reason then there would be growth opportunities in the other 4.

Now I’m not sure why you say ATI doesn’t have a sales department. These contracts didn’t rain from the sky like mana. Recently we worked out a large addition to one of our contracts. Granted it is on a trial basis as I understand it. But again didn’t quite come from nowhere.

Seriously, not seriously. Someone ought to let MH know that the office with that fancy title he’s in is a fig newton of someone’s immigration!!

Best autocorrect (maybe?) of the thread.

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So I thought I would resurrect this thread now that Atlas has come out of arbitration. Any comments on the comparison now, or too soon?

Odd that there's no ATI-only forum thread. Curious about trip lengths, if it's all domestic, through ILN, etc.

I won’t comment on ATI as I am not too familiar with their work rules and contract. ATI is all 757/767 flying.

Atlas is all 747, 777, 767, and 737 flying with each fleet offering different types of life styles…. 747 and 777 trip lengths vary depending on the type of lines you bid. For example 60 days will have a trip of 10-12 days on followed by a stretch a days off then a 5 to 7 day trip followed by another stretch of days off then like like 10-16 to followed by a stretch of days off to finish the 60 day period. I believe the 767 schedules are like this well.

Or you can do a 30-day line with 17 on straight and 13 to 14 off. Or, we are now offering a Year long Fixed lines where it’s a 17 on straight and 13-14 days off covering the month to month transition period and start the the same day of each month for the whole year.

Each month you will work 17 days and have 13-14 off.

ATI is home basing where you travel on Day 1 and your last day of your trip. We are Gateway Travel to base. Depending on where you live relative to your base and the flight offering to base, you will have to travel on your day off (This common for ANC commuters from the lower 48 unless you live near Seattle), or travel the night before Day 1 or the Day of depending scheduled start time. They require us to be in base 10 hours prior to report time if using Gateway Travel.

ATI has a lot of eggs in the Amazon basket, not necessarily a bad thing but can be a bad thing. It can be a awesome thing as well. Atlas has lots of baby mommas scattered throughout the world in terms of customers. That can be a bad thing or a good thing as well. You will need to determine how that makes you feel.

Someone else to chime in. I nothing bad to say about ATI. I would have gone there, but they weren’t interested in me in either times I’ve applied in the past.

To chime in here, ATI's CONUS operations with Amazon are point-to-point and through CVG and ILN. We also have Amazon flights to ANC and HNL from the west coast. In addition, we also have DOD 767 charters to various destinations and 757 Combi operations supporting Air Mobility Command. We do have some DHL operations, but they seem to be on a "as needed" basis and as an arrangement between DHL and Amazon. Our Mgt. has expressed a desire to get back to doing more charter ops as our Op Specs allow us to do some "unique" things.

Thanks for the chiming in Astar and information.