is that a threat? What do you know?

Ummmm... are you not familiar with what Spirit was able to do with their robust EIL/VIL participation (their version of an ETO). They not only mitigated furloughs, they completely avoided furloughs because the VOLUNTARY participation was so high by the senior pilots.

You're an idiot if you don't think VOLUNTARY leaves can mitigate furloughs. Do some research. Talk to pilots at NK, AS or B6.

If you're misconstruing VOLUNTARY participation with forced concessions, then I would agree with you. Taking involuntary concessions, or forced leaves out of seniority order is not the right approach IMO (not sure any airline has gone down this road). But voluntary leaves like an ETO that are tied to furlough mitigation absolutely work to reduce furloughs. Literally every single major airline and their pilots have agreed to a furlough mitigation package. F9 and NK had no early out options, just voluntary leaves to reduce furloughs of the most junior pilots. That is a no brainer. NK agreed to 50 hours; F9 agreed to 35 hours. There is seriously no reason why we couldn't have the same VOLUNTARY option to take an ETO.

Random posts decrying union activity on a message board. Check

Upset junior folks who think that senior pilots don’t care when they really do. Check
(one post from one pilot doesn’t signify all of us)

Uneducated people posting instead of calling or texting a union rep to learn more. Check
(This while we have videos explaining all thought processes and proposals on both Facebook and our website.)


A litany of broken rules and promises and you want to jump on a company suggestion? You do realize we won a ruling on must work days and the company still violates that?

Andrew and company work harder than you’ll ever know and deal with outrageous proposals daily. Trust in them and the process.

We offered them a zero interest loan. Denied

We simply asked they award all ETO offered. Denied

They want to work around seniority. Why would any work group accept that?

Allegiant is not interested in paying pilots to not work, at least if they can't gut the CBA. I don't know how else to say it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

What do you make of the ETO then? I'm harping on this because it is something that both parties already agreed to and has proven to help mitigate the extent of the furloughs in every other airline.

That’s been addressed by our exco. It seems management wants their cake and then some.

They are not offering early retirement like others in the industry.

This to me is absolute non sense. Why wouldn't you want to let the most senior (and expensive) go home early??

Probably because Allegiant's management doesn't see the company as a smaller airline in the future. Spirit management didn't want the idea of early retirement also. They have said that, they expect most of the demands to come back Spirit / Summer of next year. If we were to furlough 600 without our furlough mitigation. Everyone would been recall by Spiring of next year.