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beech1980 , 08-06-2021 02:23 PM
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It's more accurate to compare percentage of the group instead of total numbers. American cancelled 300 flights last Tuesday, which sounds like a lot....Now consider they fly over 6000 flights per day (in other words, they cancelled 5% of their flights). By this logic Atlas is losing 3% of their pilot group per month, which sounds a lot less sensational than 60 per month. If the pilot numbers on APC are correct, SY would lose about 12 per month if they were in line with Atlas atrition rates...the airline could last a while at that rate.

To ​​​DashTrash508 's comment, how in god's green earth do you pass LOA's without a vote?
Did you vote on any of the last 6-7 LOA’s that were passed in the last 3-4 years. I never did!
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sca fact rumor , 08-06-2021 02:45 PM
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It's more accurate to compare percentage of the group instead of total numbers. American cancelled 300 flights last Tuesday, which sounds like a lot....Now consider they fly over 6000 flights per day (in other words, they cancelled 5% of their flights). By this logic Atlas is losing 3% of their pilot group per month, which sounds a lot less sensational than 60 per month. If the pilot numbers on APC are correct, SY would lose about 12 per month if they were in line with Atlas atrition rates...the airline could last a while at that rate.

To ​​​DashTrash508 's comment, how in god's green earth do you pass LOA's without a vote?
12 a month would get managements attention, believe me. That's a lot for SCA. Could they go a few months, probably, but it wouldn't be pretty and it wouldn't be sustainable.
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DashTrash508 , 08-06-2021 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaGreenBanana
It's more accurate to compare percentage of the group instead of total numbers. American cancelled 300 flights last Tuesday, which sounds like a lot....Now consider they fly over 6000 flights per day (in other words, they cancelled 5% of their flights). By this logic Atlas is losing 3% of their pilot group per month, which sounds a lot less sensational than 60 per month. If the pilot numbers on APC are correct, SY would lose about 12 per month if they were in line with Atlas atrition rates...the airline could last a while at that rate.

To ​​​DashTrash508 's comment, how in god's green earth do you pass LOA's without a vote?
I’ve been told that it’s an ALPA bylaws thing, but nobody ever seems to be able to reference which bylaw. We haven’t voted on any of the LOAs that have come about over the past few years. Seems like there have been 8-10 of them. Several have been regarding changes and updates to the ASAP and FOQA programs as the FAA updates advisory circulars pertaining to the programs, another was for an overhaul of the fatigue program. The others have involved premium pay, NCAA flying, long call reserve, and a few other items. We have had no input (or at least very little input) in the writing or agreement on these LOAs. In fact, we often don’t know they are being negotiated until we receive an email from the MEC stating that we have a new LOA. Makes little sense to allow major changes to the CBA without the input of the voting members. Just my two cents….
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I’ve been told that it’s an ALPA bylaws thing, but nobody ever seems to be able to reference which bylaw. We haven’t voted on any of the LOAs that have come about over the past few years. Seems like there have been 8-10 of them. Several have been regarding changes and updates to the ASAP and FOQA programs as the FAA updates advisory circulars pertaining to the programs, another was for an overhaul of the fatigue program. The others have involved premium pay, NCAA flying, long call reserve, and a few other items. We have had no input (or at least very little input) in the writing or agreement on these LOAs. In fact, we often don’t know they are being negotiated until we receive an email from the MEC stating that we have a new LOA. Makes little sense to allow major changes to the CBA without the input of the voting members. Just my two cents….
Totally agree
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phrogpi , 08-07-2021 12:03 PM
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The company is glad to sign LOAs....it drags out negotiations and they only have to pay for incremental changes in our contract over time (time value of money). From what I have heard..... over 50% of our pilot group agreed for incremental changes in our contract. Even though I have less than 3 years remaining in my flying career and would benefit most from LOAs.....I told them no to LOAs....hold the company's feet to the fire and give the pilot group the contract they deserve.
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