As much as I’d wish there would be a stampede out the door, I don’t think it will happen. Has it ever? Well maybe after United got that holy mother of god contract in I believe 98….when we had captains quitting. I bet they are right inline with their forecast attrition and as long as they follow their super tight conservative business plan that makes the shareholders and board happy. They could care less about us. They got a windfall in April 2005 and it’s going to take years and years of work and solidarity to get back even “some” of what we had. The union sends out unhappy emails on how the company isn’t bargaining in good faith, why would they? At least our reps are listening and conveying to the union leadership that this crap is enough. The senior crowd who cared less about scope is taking a keen eye to all the E jets doing our flying………so it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on right?

Even if negotiations take years I think it’s worth it rather than having a hasty TA shoved down our throats with minimal gain. I hate how JL a while back said to put the past behind us and move on. Yeah, maybe so. But the sting of 2005 (going from $120hr to $80hr and almost losing our house) is a good lesson in how our management reacts to getting something they want, they want MORE. Kasher earned us a spot at the sh#& sandwich buffet and just when we think we moved away… BAM we are right back in the buffet line. My input to the union reps is by all means take your time. The addition of VA crews helps our position greatly hopefully all these factors get us/future pilots a better contract down the road.

BTW I hate being a Debbie downer but sometimes with this company it’s like being Chaz Michael Michaels coming from behind the stage for his Grublets on ice performance in Blades of Glory.

Guess after all the years here I could quit. But then why give a junior guy a spot up and give up this awesome character building experience. Sometimes ya gotta laugh.

Okay, hostile work environment! It wasn't until recently that I regretted not leaving when I had the chance in '05.This place is wearing on all of us and I personally can't wait to bail; it sort of reminds me of my last few weeks before separating from uncle Sam. Unfortunately, I still have about a decade left until I can retire from this place.
I'm with you regarding our pilot group and especially our union; I think we have a real solid group of guys running our union for the first time since I've been at Alaska. There's always hope. Let's hope that this pilot group will fight the good fight 'till the end this time.

Thanks for all the insight guys.

Literally the worst major to work for in the United States of America. Many regionals have better quality of life. Don’t come here, it’s awful.

I’m fairly happy. If you are a newhire, the key is to live in base. This airline isn’t really built for commmuting. Everything in the CBA seems to be designed with a live-in-base mentality. Your experience at this company will be night and day difference depending on if you’re commuting or living in base.

I can understand being “fairly happy” because you live in base, but the CBA deficiencies and management’s constant fight against meaningful improvements make me very unhappy.

You work for a major/legacy airline. You live in base. You shouldn’t be “pretty happy”. Samuel L Jackson says “you should be muthaf&ckin’ happy as a muthaf&ckin’ clam”

Does living in base make one immune to the constant threat that having ZERO scope poses?

No 💩 !!!!

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ShyGuy can you honestly say that your quality of life is better than it was at Virgin America (a start up)? I sure as heII can’t! My QOL was better as a commuter at VX than it is now driving to work at ALA5KA. I’m stuck here due to my age. If I was 10 years younger I’d already be gone to greener pastures. BTW I live in SEA and would gladly go back to commuting to get out of AS.