sf340b

So if your not dead yet you need moar shots...?

rickair7777

Well, what they said was true before Delta. I assume those sound bites were all before mid-summer.

Mesabah

The RBD is conserved across variants, so far, the Delta difference is simply increased binding probability. The vaccines failed because the antibody levels are both not high enough, and of short duration. Realistically, where Covid is going, it will require many many shots per year to keep antibody levels, which migrate to the respiratory system, high enough for neutralization.

Tfork

Here's some interesting data:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Mesabah

The issue with data like this, is it is comparing people who died within 60 days of a positive PCR test, to people who died of a laboratory confirmed, breakthrough case of Covid. No where in the data sets does it list the number of people excluded from the totals.

Tfork

When you die from COVID, wouldn't you be in a hospital where they would do such tests? There may be a few isolated cases where this isn't true but the vast majority are tested.

Mesabah

Actually, no they don't. Covid statistics are horrendous, you can't draw any conclusions from them.

Tfork

Please post a link to that truth.

Mesabah

You already posted the link, read the methodology. The state compares death
certificates to vaccine databases. The system assumes any positive pcr test within 60 days of death is unvaccinated, unless linked to a vaccination record. If a fully vaccinated death is found, it is then investigated for truth using hospital records. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Tfork

I see you are mostly correct. The underlying data is from the CDC. According to them:


"Vaccination status: A fully vaccinated person had SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen detected on a respiratory specimen collected ≥14 days after completing the primary series of an FDA-authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine. An unvaccinated person had SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen detected on a respiratory specimen and has not been verified to have received COVID-19 vaccine. Excluded were partially vaccinated people who received at least one FDA-authorized vaccine dose but did not complete a primary series ≥14 days before collection of a specimen where SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen was detected.

Deaths: A COVID-19–associated death occurred in a person with a documented COVID-19 diagnosis who died; health department staff reviewed to make a determination using vital records, public health investigation, or other data sources. Rates of COVID-19 deaths by vaccination status are reported based on when the patient was tested for COVID-19, not the date they died. Deaths usually occur up to 30 days after COVID-19 diagnosis."

Seems pretty methodical to me. I think you're correct that there can be variations in the data but not enough to change the outcome. However, I can find no better data.