Can anyone give some timelines for the initial training? It appears Indoc is roughly two weeks followed by a “minimum of 7 days off.” Where does ground school/systems fit into the mix?

that time off is ground school/systems. You do home study and electronic lessons and then have a systems validation on day 2-3 of the training footprint, which is usually 4 weeks or so, but varies a bit depending on the fleet

what is a systems class. 😂😂🤦🏼‍♂️

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great thanks for letting me know

You teach systems and everything else to yourself, then you go into the sim and make sure you taught yourself properly. It's all on you.

This new "done before 1" crap has put even more of the burden of learning to the pilot. There isnt even enough briefing time to get through the slides. Don't even think about doing a manuever in the sim twice or having a more than 5 min break.

Now we even do some of the 400 series in the FTDs. What a joke.

Yeah I thought the whole point was to decompress things by shortening the time a bit and adding a lesson. But that seems not to be the case.

I’d contend that we don’t ever find out if we taught ourselves properly. After the open-book-Vol2-searchable multiple choice test, systems knowledge isn’t really validated. Good luck on the line where Mx won’t really know the jet either.

IMO the "I'm a little molecule of air/drop of fuel/electron/etc" nostalgic 3 hour build me an airplane oral/systems knowledge that some still seem to desperately pine for isn't what the industry needs to be focusing on anyway. Especially in an era of +/- zero point something accuracy, RVSM, PRM, RNAV operating environments where everything is an amalgamation of countless thousands of pages spread across the one place right place Indiana Jones warehouse of knowledge. Having all the schematics and memorizing the busses in your head may very well build character but is a colossal waste of mental hard drive space compared to things of far higher significance in the modern operating environment.

No one ever accidentally attempts a TOFU because they can't draw schematics of electrics and hydraulics and build the flap system on a whiteboard. In a world of little room for error in procedures and scripts and triggers and a couple numbers on a WDR that might make a huge difference even though you can go years without needing to use it...that kind of stuff is what we need to spend more training time on. We have better QRH/EICAS/ECAM/etc, searchable manuals and team expansion now than ever. Fleet specific frat initiation hazing is a good riddance relic of the past.

That said, I would still prefer an actual (practical) ground school to the self study method. Especially when its concurrent with having to know another fleet at the same time. If were going to do it this way, we should at least have a hard date a couple weeks prior to showing up for training. Many POI's for a long time had strict "training contamination" perspectives where the day you started training on one you were done on the other. Others permitted "dual qual" (or worse).