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Quote: It does blow my mind that we have/had one rate for the 757-200, 757-300, 767-200, 767-300 and 767-300ER but a different rate for A319/20, A321 and 321neo.
Or when the 90 still paid more than the 88 after we merged 73 rates....🤔🙄
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Quote: 73 guy here…agree. I always thought it was pretty silly that the 73 paid more than the 320. I chalked it up to merger politics; glad to see that fixed.
I agree. Flown both. Now on the 320 by choice, but don't understand why the 737 paid more.
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Quote: I agree. Flown both. Now on the 320 by choice, but don't understand why the 737 paid more.
Combat Pay.
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Quote: I agree. Flown both. Now on the 320 by choice, but don't understand why the 737 paid more.
cuz it was a south airplane
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Quote: cuz it was a south airplane

Not really….the 737-800 enjoyed the powerful negotiating tool in the contract referred to as 3.B.6. The company couldn’t operate an aircraft until a pay rate was agreed to. The 777 was the only other aircraft brought in while we had this in our contract.

After the merger, I think the A319/320 paid less, compared to the 737 fleet is because we only had 10 737-700’s, vs. the 319/320, where we had more 319’s than 320’s, so an average seat count on that fleet was probably 140 on the airbus, vs 160 on the 737. Just my opinion, but the 737 was almost all 160 seat aircraft and the Airbus had 130-160, with a slight lean towards the 130 seater, so ALPA accepted the lower pay on the Airbus. I know I didn’t explain it the way my mind sees it, it’s late and I should be in bed.

Happy New Year!

I agree completely with the sentiment that it doesn’t make sense the 75/76 pays the same rate when we have 3 separate pay rates for the A320 fleet though. That fleet is underpaid across the board.
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Quote: Not really….the 737-800 enjoyed the powerful negotiating tool in the contract referred to as 3.B.6. The company couldn’t operate an aircraft until a pay rate was agreed to. The 777 was the only other aircraft brought in while we had this in our contract.

After the merger, I think the A319/320 paid less, compared to the 737 fleet is because we only had 10 737-700’s, vs. the 319/320, where we had more 319’s than 320’s, so an average seat count on that fleet was probably 140 on the airbus, vs 160 on the 737. Just my opinion, but the 737 was almost all 160 seat aircraft and the Airbus had 130-160, with a slight lean towards the 130 seater, so ALPA accepted the lower pay on the Airbus. I know I didn’t explain it the way my mind sees it, it’s late and I should be in bed.

Happy New Year!

I agree completely with the sentiment that it doesn’t make sense the 75/76 pays the same rate when we have 3 separate pay rates for the A320 fleet though. That fleet is underpaid across the board.
It ended up paying less in the joint contract because there was only so much money the company was willing to put up for the joint contract. The lower pay rates meant the bulk of that pot of money was going to North pilots because their pay rates were lower than the South rates. The joint contract had to be ratified by both sides. They needed to provide some raises to the South or the joint contract would not have been ratifiable.
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Quote: It ended up paying less in the joint contract because there was only so much money the company was willing to put up for the joint contract. The lower pay rates meant the bulk of that pot of money was going to North pilots because their pay rates were lower than the South rates. The joint contract had to be ratified by both sides. They needed to provide some raises to the South or the joint contract would not have been ratifiable.
The majority of the raises went to NWA fleets because they were well behind DAL fleets. The JCBA did a lot for former north pilots but it still had inconsistencies that brought resentment. Retirement and A320 and A330 category (747 for a select few) pay were some of the chief complaints. Seniority was a separate issue but was also a huge contributor to tribalism.
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