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Quote: True, but we didn’t. I’m not saying that Indigo is definitely looking for a new suitor for Frontier, but the spirit merger could have been a fork in the road:

If the merger was successful, Frontier would have gotten an extra 2000+ pilots to continue their growth plans and keep things afloat until the legacy hiring craze subsides.

However, that obviously didn’t happen. Now Frontier is faced with massive growth ambitions, a very small supply of new pilots, and legacies hiring up all the young hopefuls they can. To add to the burn, having Frontier, Spirit, or JetBlue on one’s resume to a legacy currently seems to hold about the same weight as having a Ph.d and a few space shuttle landings. So, Frontier is faced with increasing attrition from more than just new hires.

Indigo has already made MASSIVE returns on their Frontier investment. It wouldn’t be totally unbelievable for them to decide it’s time to walk away upon realizing the headwinds that they are about to face. Just like a good stock, sometimes it’s just time to sell when it’s high. Indigo still has slots to hundreds of very desirable A320 series orders. They could offload Frontier, still maintain control of those slots and either sell them to another airline (making a huge profit), or maintain the orders and continue a steady income flow by leasing them.

That said, I know everyone is praying that a legacy buys us. People seem to be jumping for joy over the thought of Frontier being bought, but “being bought” doesn’t mean that we would be flying a legacy or SWA paint job in the future. A sale of Frontier could also simply mean a sale to another investment company. Look at Sun Country, they were “bought”, but I don’t see them flying around with a cute little heart on the side of their planes.
I think the plan was the for the Spirit planes to come with the Spirit pilots, so I don't think it would have changed anything in regards to the current hiring environment.
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Quote: Don’t fool yourself. Aside from legacy hiring, WN plans to hire 2100 pilots in 2023. All of these airlines are competing for pilots coming out of the ATP pipeline. Take a look at their pay scales compared to F9. The whole thing is crazy. Even Spirit mgmt sees the writing on the wall. And they only need to keep afloat until JB takes over.
Well according to ALPA there is no pilot shortage. Ha who can we believe?! I agree the whole thing is crazy but sure is making for quite a good show watching the pay rates explode everywhere. Planes are full, seniority is rising, and I’m just buckled up enjoying the ride.

Who people think will buy us: UA, SWA, AK…

Who will buy us: Republic, Mesa, Breeze…
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Ain't no one buying us.

Anyone that's got the money to buy us, is too big to be allowed to
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Quote: Rumor is you have to take the bonus now?? Doesn’t sound right but definitely wouldn’t shock me

pretty much a training contract if that’s the case
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Quote: pretty much a training contract if that’s the case
A training contract where the employer gives you $50k cash....interesting concept.
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Quote: Ain't no one buying us.

Anyone that's got the money to buy us, is too big to be allowed to
Don’t kill any hope I had….
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Quote: Ain't no one buying us.

Anyone that's got the money to buy us, is too big to be allowed to
Spirit pilots are now making an average of 34% more than F9 via a concessionary TA and looking forward to a future snap up provision through JB. This hiring environment will not afford the interest accruing loan with strings attached funny business. Not to mention the 1500+ open grievances. If a sale is not imminent, the intentional tanking of future recruiting is one of life’s little mysteries.
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Quote: Ain't no one buying us.

Anyone that's got the money to buy us, is too big to be allowed to
If it happened you’d be nostalgic for these ****ty days at f9.
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Quote: True, but we didn’t. I’m not saying that Indigo is definitely looking for a new suitor for Frontier, but the spirit merger could have been a fork in the road:

If the merger was successful, Frontier would have gotten an extra 2000+ pilots to continue their growth plans and keep things afloat until the legacy hiring craze subsides.

However, that obviously didn’t happen. Now Frontier is faced with massive growth ambitions, a very small supply of new pilots, and legacies hiring up all the young hopefuls they can. To add to the burn, having Frontier, Spirit, or JetBlue on one’s resume to a legacy currently seems to hold about the same weight as having a Ph.d and a few space shuttle landings. So, Frontier is faced with increasing attrition from more than just new hires.

Indigo has already made MASSIVE returns on their Frontier investment. It wouldn’t be totally unbelievable for them to decide it’s time to walk away upon realizing the headwinds that they are about to face. Just like a good stock, sometimes it’s just time to sell when it’s high. Indigo still has slots to hundreds of very desirable A320 series orders. They could offload Frontier, still maintain control of those slots and either sell them to another airline (making a huge profit), or maintain the orders and continue a steady income flow by leasing them.

That said, I know everyone is praying that a legacy buys us. People seem to be jumping for joy over the thought of Frontier being bought, but “being bought” doesn’t mean that we would be flying a legacy or SWA paint job in the future. A sale of Frontier could also simply mean a sale to another investment company. Look at Sun Country, they were “bought”, but I don’t see them flying around with a cute little heart on the side of their planes.
Thank God, cause I don’t want anything to do with the heart. ❤️
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Quote: If it happened you’d be nostalgic for these ****ty days at f9.
If we could go back to summer of 2019 I would be sooooo happy...
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