CincoDeMayo

Are you just hurt because DAL didn’t even include you on their wage presentation? Hell, even NK was on it

Be salty as hell but we all know NK will be on the JCBA before Franke pays a dime more.

SoFloFlyer

That would make sense lol and you’re right. I hope the legacies tackle some of that QOL items in their contract.

SoFloFlyer

Of course, but knowing what I know, I’m confident in that it wouldn’t have passed, but no way to know for sure. Either way, it doesn’t matter lol Hope you put your money where your mouth is and get something good and raise the bar.

ULLI

No, not salty at all. AS was the first to sign, DL clearly leads the way. JB is somewhat in the middle... You guys on the other hand not so much.
We haven't even started to negotiate. I was here last time for it, so i know what we will go through. You better hope the merger goes through, otherwise you are stuck with what you guys signed.
Meanwhile keep defending your new 💩contract.
BTW you and I both agree on nk+jb having JCBA soon. I definitely don't want Indigo comparing your current contract to us as a peer group. I get the fact that both are currently ulcc's but the difference is one is making money while other is not.
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CincoDeMayo

If the merger with JBLU fails, we go right back into full section 6 with NK management, with $40-$50 more an hour as a starting point vs where F9 will be when you open with Franke.

So tell me again why starting from $50 more an hour is a bad thing in section 6 if the merger fails? Or if it doesn’t fail, tell me how $50 more an hour going into a JCBA for more on top of that is a bad thing?

You’re sour grapes, man. Be concerned with the sack of crap management you have to fight with, accept responsibility for your own group, and stop crying because your ULCC partner is gone.

And yup, NK isn’t making money which just shows how ridiculous your position is; NK is not making money and you don’t like our raises? Meanwhile F9 is making money because they are not giving you a raise, too busy dropping $50k checks on CFI pilots.

BiffleBalls

Sick burn... because it's totally on point...

ULLI

What responsibility are you talking about? We haven't even started to negotiate yet. I think it's safe to say we are in a much better negotiating position then spirit was.
BTW nothing is wrong with extra $50, but you and i both know you could have gotten more. And just because you can start negotiating s6 doesn't mean it will happen fast.
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fivebyfive

It is different this year. If it wasn’t for the 1500hr CFIs and low time regional FO’s with 100-200 hrs 121 SIC, classes would be vacant. Soon those applicants will dry up and F9 growth will be over. The latest TA Spirit signed is aimed to keep them barely afloat until merging with JB. F9 isn’t even making an attempt to get in the game. It looks like a sale is in the near future.

CincoDeMayo

Agreement is they have to open in 90 days if merger fails.

And it isn’t a matter of “if” we could have got more from an airline currently not making money, it was about the opportunity cost of not getting more and getting stuck with our 2018 rates in the JCBA or if the merger failed, in a section 6. 69% of our pilots agreed with the position of our NC and voted yes

But honestly, stop worrying about NK and the agreement we signed, basically a LOA, and worry about your own battle ahead.

Stayontarget

Isn’t making an attempt? 3 FO raises in 10 months, hotels, bonuses.

Sale in the near future? We literally would have bought a larger company within the past year.

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