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#31

kwri10s , 07-25-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

While you can choose the current CBA option. You lose the FDA bonus. $15,000-20,000. That sounds like a step backwards.

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

While our SCOPE language concerning extra territorial flying outside our borders is vastly more complex and "Iffy" in the US courts, I feel any language we can get to define the flying as "OURS" is extremely important and should not be taken lightly. Is this language a step backwards? Our ALPA RLA attorneys apparently don't think so, and neither do I.

Our scope is so bad internationally you could drive a semi through it. It hasn't fixed tradewinds or Okay airlines. Why would it fix anything going forward. All we gained is an opinion that we have improved. Nothing particularly stunning. Perhaps a wash.

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

Now while I agree and have previously stated so, the Housing allowance is LOW, but again it is more than we currently have.

True. This is at least an improvement. Not what it could or should be but better than the nothing we have now.

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

The STV clause is what seems to have most folks up in arms. The Recent FCIF just clarified and alleviated my fear of being forced there for 90 days. Being forced there for a month isn't the end of the world. Quite frankly with the month limit, it will probably go more senior similar to SIBA and there won't be too many involuntary inversions IMHO.

I have already voted. At no time have I received an addendum to my LOA for my consideration to vote on. As others have pointed out, the company stating in an FCIF they "intend" something, has no real bearing on actuality. If in doubt of that try R24 and see what the intent of R24 is now being flown as.

#32

DLax85 , 07-25-2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranger

One thing that bothers me about this relates to the "take it now and we'll fix it with the next contract" approach.

What will we have to give up in order to fix a broken (or seriously flawed) FDA?

Many issues will be up for negogiation in 2010.

- Basic raises across the board of 3-5%
- Defending the A Fund (...FDX recently converted all mgt types to "cash balance" plans this spring)
- Defending your ability to retire at Age 60 w/out penalty

All of these issues will cost $$ and negogiating capital.

If we have to go in and "fix" the LOA benefits too then truly ALL 4,800+ pilots at FEDEX will have directly been affected.

Vote "yes" now and "fix it" later is short sighted, lazy and ignorant.

#33

md11phlyer , 07-25-2007 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

I don't see this LOA as a step backwards, because the company can do it now. If anyone thinks the current CBA language is better, they still have that option under the LOA with the addition of Tax equalization.

The RLA language concerning FDA's is what the UNION wanted 2 contracts ago but couldn't get. Many people don't seem concerned with SCOPE. While I certainly don't claim to be an expert, I know that most ALPA contracts like to have stong SCOPE language to protect ALL their flying. Look at what has happened to NWA, USAir, DAL and UAL. They all were forced to give up most of their domestic scope language in BK courts and have lost a significant amount of their Domestic flying to the regionals forever! They will never get it back!

While our SCOPE language concerning extra territoral flying outside our borders is vastly more complex and "Iffy" in the US courts,
I fel any language we can get to define the flying as "OURS" is extremely important and should not be taken lightly. Is this language a step backwards? Our ALPA RLA attornies apparently don't think so, and niether do I.

Now while I agree and have previously stated so, the Housing allowance is LOW, but again it is more than we currently have.

The STV clause is what seems to have most folks up in arms. The Recent FCIF just clarifed and allieviated my fear of being forced there for 90 days. Being forced there for a month isn't the end of the world. Quite frankly with the month limit, it will probably go more senior similar to SIBA and there won't be too many involuntary inversions IMHO.

Is this A GIANT step forward...............NOT!
but it is hardly a step backwards.

My fellow Coloradan, please explain how the language in the LOA is any better regarding scope in comparison to what we already have in Sec. 1 of the CBA concerning FDAs.

I may be dim or illiterate but I just don't see these magical scope/RLA benefits everyone is talking about.

#34

HerkyBird , 07-26-2007 12:08 AM

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<< Now while I agree and have previously stated so, the Housing allowance is LOW, but again it is more than we currently have. >>

So, say your wife is doing the mailman every Monday. You're not real happy about it, have a few arguments, etc., so she agrees to cut back to just the first Monday of every month. Are you happy with that? Under your reasoning, you should be. What the hell, it's still a 75% improvement over what you had, right?

This "it's better than what we had" mentality is going to kill us. There is no way this P.O.S. LOA was negotiated for all 4,800 pilots; if it had been, there would have been school tuition included for those with kids. Hell, I'm 53, single, childless, and I already live in SFS, and I can't afford to go to HKG under the terms of this LOA. Those of you who think it's a good deal don't seem to realize that the $40K "benefit" (actually, just a partial offset to your start-up costs) will NEVER show up in your pocket. You'll be out-of-pocket thousands of dollars more just to get moved in over there, unless you're willing to live like a college student, which I am not, at this stage of my life. Now, I don't need 2,500 sq.ft., either, but a mattress on the floor over a crack house, next to a ***** house, overlooking a ****-filled alley with a 24-hr. mah jongg game going on, doesn't cut it. And when you read about a 500-sq.ft. studio apartment, remember that in HKG, they count the area from your front door to the elevator, PLUS your outside patio or balcony (if you even have one), in your square footage. So much for having visitors from the U.S. come to stay with you ...

This LOA is a P.O.S. and should be summarily rejected. VOTE NO!!!