now they're trying to revoke our ability to 7 day opt
06-04-2008 | 06:02 PM
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now they're trying to revoke our ability to 7 day opt
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...option_060408/
what the hell is happening with the af? this is bull****.
what the hell is happening with the af? this is bull****.
06-05-2008 | 03:54 AM
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Having just exercised my 7 day option and separated as of 1 June, I am glad I did. The 365 is forcing a ton of dudes to say "see ya" family comes first. If memory serves me, we were able to fight this war without 365s, this "continuity" excuse is crap and throws morale under the bus.
FWIW, when you complete an ADSC, the AF can have you serve up to 6 months beyond the date you drop papers. If you 7 day opt, you can pick a sep date much sooner than that, usually a few weeks to a month, that's about the min time it takes AFPC to approve.
FWIW, when you complete an ADSC, the AF can have you serve up to 6 months beyond the date you drop papers. If you 7 day opt, you can pick a sep date much sooner than that, usually a few weeks to a month, that's about the min time it takes AFPC to approve.
06-05-2008 | 04:52 AM
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I'm confused as to how this policy will do anything substantive whatsoever to help the Air Force or those who serve, other than increase ill will in those who voluntarily serve, and who have earned the right to turn down any assignment for any reason after their commitments are up.
And it will hurt recruiting.
And it will hurt recruiting.
06-05-2008 | 05:00 AM
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I'm confused as to how this policy will do anything substantive whatsoever to help the Air Force or those who serve, other than increase ill will in those who voluntarily serve, and who have earned the right to turn down any assignment for any reason after their commitments are up.
And it will hurt recruiting.
And it will hurt recruiting.
06-05-2008 | 05:49 AM
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I'm confused as to how this policy will do anything substantive whatsoever to help the Air Force or those who serve, other than increase ill will in those who voluntarily serve, and who have earned the right to turn down any assignment for any reason after their commitments are up.
And it will hurt recruiting.
And it will hurt recruiting.
I would like to know when the last time the CMSgts quoted in the article deployed.
06-05-2008 | 05:51 AM
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not taking the bait, but if you are serious, have fun in your low morale AF when there are not experienced enough folks to do the job
Last time I checked, guys I know who "sucked it up" had very unhappy families, if they still had them.
You are correct in your guidance to leave, I did as did 7/35 of the pilots in my squadron last year, all IP/EPs
Last time I checked, guys I know who "sucked it up" had very unhappy families, if they still had them.
You are correct in your guidance to leave, I did as did 7/35 of the pilots in my squadron last year, all IP/EPs
06-05-2008 | 05:56 AM
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I don't think it will hurt recruiting, folks coming in are just happy to be there, especially pilots, don't believe me, look at some of the UPT news and gouge websites, there are tons of eager young folks that will sign on for UPT no matter what, kinda like the airline industry where there are always guys who will fly your 737/767 for less. That's the problem.
I would like to know when the last time the CMSgts quoted in the article deployed.
I would like to know when the last time the CMSgts quoted in the article deployed.
true...none of this (not even the 10 year commitment) would have affected my motivation to attend pilot training back in the day...but the enlisted recruiting side might suffer if they take away the ability to walk away from a 365,
agreed...that guy from SERE school has probably never deployed.
06-05-2008 | 06:10 AM
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The problem for the AF as I see it, is that it is overmanned in new folks and quickly losing all its experienced folks. You don't take a 2Lt and make an evaluator over night. This could lead to quicker and potentially unsafe upgrades. Look at AFSOCs crash in Albania, one of the factors cited was a young crew.
When I arrived at the 61st at LR in 2003, the "old heads" were 6000 EPs, when I left for the FTU in 2006, the "experienced" IPs were my former COPILOTs!!
You also have a trend in Tac Airlift where all we do is the desert, and as such very little mission planning is taught or experienced. I saw that trend while teaching at the schoolhouse, the guys coming through for AC school lacked a lot of non desert experience.
When I arrived at the 61st at LR in 2003, the "old heads" were 6000 EPs, when I left for the FTU in 2006, the "experienced" IPs were my former COPILOTs!!
You also have a trend in Tac Airlift where all we do is the desert, and as such very little mission planning is taught or experienced. I saw that trend while teaching at the schoolhouse, the guys coming through for AC school lacked a lot of non desert experience.
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