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#21

FR8Hauler , 10-07-2008 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Check 6

Cliffy,

You don't need to be a sheep in life. But what goes around comes around...

Also... buddy@#%## is only half a word...

What a jerk-off.

That is not very nice, but I like it...

#22

FR8Hauler , 10-07-2008 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT

Lets look at this from a demonstrated and historical perspective. We are scheduled to receive 4 777's between now and mid 2010. That is most likely to be the scope of the "announced" upcoming 777 bid. So.....4 777's at 20 crews (40) pilots/AC gives 160 crew members. Given that at least the 1st 18 mos. of revenue flying will include max. training bumps (Instr Quals, IOE, etc.) the 1st bid is likely to go very senior. Accounting for the max days off/Month the system form will provide (hard time @ 16hrs/leg = 2 trips/Mo. to get BLG) the most senior ND's will bid this. I say let them, and when it comes time for the "qualified crew force" to to fly revenue trips........ooops, 2 crew (4) ND's cannot fly Int'l!!!!!!!! Oh by the way, by this time our best effort during arbitration will have long been handed down (win or lose). Seems like a win/win for us. They can't meet the schedule due to aging 777 manning, we have a definitive pay rate (like it or not), and the leverage of "rescuing" an un-mannable AC for revenue operation. As always it boils down to an informed, disciplined bid by the rest of us. Comprende? ............P.S. Fr8H you like being the naysayer......always have.

Very good points, and I don't like being the naysayer it is just there is not a lot of good news. Thanks for your help on the SIG and keep up the good work.

#23

MD11Fr8Dog , 10-07-2008 06:56 AM

...Whatever It Is!

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Originally Posted by magic rat

Prediction: 777 pay rates are a moot point (or a moo point if your Joey Tribiani) because, and I quote from a future FCIF, "777 bid is delayed" because of boeing strike issues.

It will also become a mute point as well, as a bunch of guys will be playing the "I gotta get mine before someone else gets mine" game!

I say let all NDs bid it. Gets them off my jet!

#24

MD11Fr8Dog , 10-07-2008 07:03 AM

...Whatever It Is!

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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal

Sure woulda been nice to get those A-380 rates locked in when the aircraft switch came up instead of crossing fingers and assuming they would apply. (Think Cowardly Lion from the wizard of Oz....."I don't believe in spooks, I don't believe in spooks") Seems like we ratified 2 (count 'em 2) LOA's since they anounced the switch and we didn't lock it in.

I like how the union talks about it's "Business Approach", but in reality I feel like I am dealing with sub-prime mortgage writer. Seems the other side is used to us putting up with some pretty childish stances on their part.......especially since we ate the LOA's.

Good work by FE......I think he is doing the best he can under the circumstances.

I chew my kids out for renegotiating a deal based on semantics....."Dad, you said I 'should'.....not that I had to"....."Depends on what the definition of the word "is" is. "B-777 is the replacement for the A-380.......but not for pay". I hope they never get to see these arguments as examples.

Here's the Business Approach we normally get from the company...

Business

#25

MaydayMark , 10-07-2008 07:18 AM

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We were hood-winked again

Two thoughts ...

1. Cliffy: If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. You sir, are part of the problem!

and ...

2. I agree, we probably missed our opportunity to lock in ULR pay rates when we didn't include them in the LOA. The company seems to have REALLY wanted that LOA! Shame on our negotiating committee for not seeing this problem coming in advance and not using the LOA (that the MEC crammed down our throats btw) to OUR advantage.

Mark

#26

Daniel Larusso , 10-07-2008 07:24 AM

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Much like the way the company has decided to handle things with the additional time created by unknown delivery delays on the airplane, Cliffy's post just seems like semi-organized flamebait.

#27

W0XOFF , 10-07-2008 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog

It will also become a mute point as well . . .

Ahem . . speaking of 'slow learners';

It won't EVER become 'mute' . .unless you guys just turn the volume down about it.

NOW . .it could possibly become a moot point . . . for all the reasons stated.

#28

joepilot , 10-07-2008 07:28 AM

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I don't work for FedEx, however if your contract is anything like the one at my company, if there insufficient bidders for any vacancy bid, then the company may assign the bid to the most junior pilot that meets the minimum FAA requirements for the bid. If you have the same type of clause in your contract, then your most junior F/O could be assigned an involuntary 777 Cap bid.

Joe

#29

MD11Fr8Dog , 10-07-2008 07:35 AM

...Whatever It Is!

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Originally Posted by W0XOFF

I referenced it as a "mute" point as they won't or refuse to hear it!

#30

Micro , 10-07-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler

It's a clear as a bell to me. Anyone who bids this thing before the pay is determined (even though BC said no worries) is actively working AGAINST us, and should never be fully trusted again. Ready for the incoming.
fbh
P.S. it's not in my standing bid.

EXACTLY!! Time to put these guys names (and should have done the same with DP flyers) up on the bulletin boards. The union needs to grow a spine. This "identification" was suggested during the CBA negotiations and we were told "that would slpit the pilot group". No SH!T!!! WE are ALREADY split with these guys acting on their own. I say it's time to ID them and the crewforce start shunning them.