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Sad to say that is how they get away with poverty pay. It is the same as your parents supporting you. For pilots that have to support a family you are doing no good at fixing the problem.

If you want to see your sugar momma, I hope you live in base or get a normal job that pays over $20,000/year and you can see here every night. Wait for the industry to pick back up, its already happening.

Incorrect. We are telling you not to go work for poverty pay. If you are unemployed you should not go some where, where the pay is lower than unemployment.

i do understand how it all works.. it sucks.. it really does. you cant tell a young private pilot with the same dreams because they wont listen to you.. i know.. I was one of them.

Its always going to happen... people need jobs and the airlines know this. nothing is going to change. It really sucks every thread turns out like this, no matter WHO is hiring.

the sugar momma knows how it is. thats the career path i have chosen.

I hear you, I was one of those pilots too. I really wish more pilots would have been vocal about this issue though when I was searching I was still content to hold out for something good though and didn't go early to a lower paid regional and waited over a year to get on with someone decent.

Even though pilots will still go to those places, it doesn't mean we can't say don't do it.

I really hope you don't do it either. You have a sugar momma, just wait it out and hold out for something good. Your in a good situation and the industry isn't going anywhere right now anyways.

Anybody who does come to Lakes better have a backbone and be willing to stand up for themselves when it comes to fatigue and poor scheduling practices. Yes, the pay and work rules at Lakes are atrocious. There is no defending the place. Lots of people use the "well, we make more per passenger seat than the other regionals" argument. That may be mostly true, but it doesn't make the pay ok. Before you come here, realize you will be miserable and extremely poor. The people are cool but that only helps so much. Also realize that after 11 months here, if you want to leave, you're going to have to either suck it up and stay another 4 months or pay the training contract off. My advice is to stay away, but it's up to you.

just curious and others might want to know, why did you take up the offer to work at Great Lakes?

forgot about that damn training contract... i just finished one of those... never again!

I figured on a quick upgrade which would have made the pay almost acceptable. Additionally, I really had no idea it was as bad as it is. From what I've heard from people who have been around for a while or are back due to furlough from somewhere else, things are much worse right now at Lakes than they've ever been. Anyway, being stuck in the right seat at Lakes is not a happy place to be and movement is painfully slow right now. When I was hired, there were supposed to be 100 more hired after me to cover new flying we'd been awarded. Company ended up giving back the EAS contracts and the flying was canceled. My stint at TSA involved an eerily similar story.

Who really cares about Great Lakes!!!! Will you apply to make 18hour.
Let's all be realistic a Airline Pilot making 18.00hour, just look back everything that you did before, look yourself in the mirror and ask you if you deserve that?

This is what we need here people that fights for the rights the human’s rights.

People like this:

Irish air traffic controllers to walk out over pay, pensions - USA today.

Union sets new strike vote against British Airways - USA Today.
Air France strike causes chaos - (Severe disruptions to Air France flights are expected after pilots began a four-day strike against legal changes to the retirement age from 60 to 65) - BBC
Spanish Airline Strike Leads To Hundreds Of Flight Cancellations - (This strike has been called by the unions CTA and SITCPLA, in protest of a four-year pay freeze for around 4,300 cabin staff.) - BBC

What do we fight for to apply to make 18.00hour as an Airline Pilot ops Part 121. Yes that one the one with people, passenger. Joke or Truth

You're preaching to the choir. I'm all for striking illegally. The RLA is a worthless document that takes all power away from the labor side. Is the government really going to send all of us to jail if we strike illegally? Doubt it. If they did though, I imagine the press would have a field day with it. "Pilots sent to jail for protesting poverty level wages." Headline has a nice ring to it.