I'd submit that several of those 744Fs and BCFs will end up in Kalitta colors before too long. Connie is currently shopping for airframes and he has a suitcase full of cash

Kalitta - worst paint ever.

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As to the combi 744s, KLM flew them to IAH and I believe still do. I remember seeing the cargo door open in the early to mid 2000s. Note the cargo door behind the 4L door in this IAH picture. But it was AF 744 that had horse meat loaded in it. I could've gone without knowing that tidbit.

True dat....


Lufthansa also has some 744 Combis, saw one last week in Frankfurt.



Generally speaking, combis are a neat idea for niche markets, but they are typically ineffeceint, they are neither a good pax platform (noisy) and have cabin differences, and they are not typically good freighters, as they (usually) have awkward cube/pallet contour restrictions because of pax support units and interior equipment that remains installed in the freighter configuration. They also usually have a significantly higher ZFW than a straight freighter, yielding less payload for the customer.

That's what Arpey said at AA about JAL leaving OneWorld. ANA (and Air Japan) won't get free reign, that is for sure. I am sure you will be seeing a lot more of Delta in Japan in the future. Get used to it.

Posted this on the L&G thread, but figured it fits in here just as well or better.

I think the C-141 is more Delta style given that its cheap to buy now. Might break a wing on the ramp but thats why its cheap to buy, comes with the territory.

Let me see here... if I hit that... ignore that... allow that... CTRL + V this... yep, largest picture ever on airlinepilotforums...

Funny how these pukes think that because they might code share with somebody they may get their jets and routes too.

I was going to suggest the thread name be changed to delusions of grandeur, except that I might have to beg them for a job some day.

To this comment I have to say BRAVO! they didn't take their billion and instead they went ahead and did a code share agreement, now some of this (I'm not going to go as far as to call them pukes but rather naive individuals) folks think that they will sell them their cargo division. All of this mental masturbation has been very entertaining

Oh geez.

Alright take a deep breath, don't type anything, don't be jealous and just keep reading because you might actually understand the context of the discussion in light of what is going on here with this possible hookup and seperate rumors concerning cargo. FWIW, we've been talking about returning to cargo and it was not with JAL planes or 744Fs fwiw, but could it be now? Hence the discussion. So just take it easy and appreciate the humor. Its really good stuff.