Night Eagle.....

(Your paraphrased words)...This whole moving backwards thing has been about preserving jobs for "2500"...

yeah... RIGHT?!! Sounds like you are taking the bait for this union busting 101 move by the company.

Name one other union that has done what IPA has for its members... The MOU I and MOU II are great examples of what a class act the IPA is.

How about when we, as a union, provided ratification bonus' for dead IPA members' families?

How about 2nd year pay? The list goes on....

The FQS (manglers) issue is independent to our clear overstaffing at the airline. UPS, rightly so, is trying to gain efficiencies to maximize shareholder value.... Look at the 1800 managers recently cut and the Airline Maintenance on the street. IPA was going down the road of providing innovative solutions. Too bad this wasn't in the cards. Its just not in the culture of UPS to work with their labor groups. At least you got another year out of the deal.

I am glad that we are getting tight as a company. I chose UPS over traditional airlines because the airline industry (as a business) is a broken model. Too many failed airlines in the past (TWA, Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am etc) have failed. Will UPS be around in 50 years.... You bet! And I plan on collecting a pension from them. I am not so sure if I was at a real "airline" this would be available.

This is the way I see it in my limited Loco way. This mess is not about BT, the EB agenda, managers or the over sixty crowd. It's about an enviously profitable company deciding to shed pilots and mechanics because they can. Just because they can does not mean they should. The hardship this is putting on some of the junior guys who invested for the long haul and purchased homes in PANC is unbelievable, all from a company making billions..

Have to go now and look for my next dream job adiós!

UPS will be around in 50 years, but will the airline??????

Not quite ... without referencing a seniority list I can safely say at least 200 of the 300 never saw a signing bonus or a leather jacket from UPS.

Quite ironic indeed ...

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Don't for a Second think that "Horse Trading" has not been going on for years. Thank Goodness BM is out so we can put a stop to it. TN was no better.

BT is finally putting a stop to this. UPS and the EB have been talking about this since BT was elected. IMHO, BT said no more, and UPS decided to try this angle to get him to back off. It back fired. Also, why did BM never push the issue in all his years?? Please answer anyone.

But I do believe the EB is going after the FQM is the wrong fashion. The Card thing is weak. And maybe the EB wants to go this path knowing it will fail. The EB needs to bypass the Card's and go straight to the Labor Courts with the Dorsey ruling in hand. This is the only way for success. Why the EB is going the Card route is beyond me. Not Smart at all. Doomed to Fail and they know it. So why?

I agreed with many of your points but this one is off. The 300 crew members who are threatened with layoffs where hired after the this current contract was signed.

Where did you see that? Speculation or fact?

Not sure, but long range and UPS do not belong in the same sentence!

That was Loco Gringo's statement not mine I just messed up the quote. I did ask this question to SF who stated that UPS has not approached the IPA about any foreign domiciles.